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so im gonna lift my 86 bronco. put some rock sliders and 35s on it and im gonna try to afford 456 gears. so now on to lockers and such. i have a posi rear end in my bronc. not sure if they come stock with them but mine has one. do i still need lockers? what about a spool. i know how it works but whats bad about it. i want to go in rocks. hills. mud and snow. please help. also is it bad to have a locker in the rear and not in front?

 

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You don't NEED any of them, what you *want* however is usually a whole different matter :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" /> The stock posi is good (just a quick note here, "posi" is a term used by those guys over at Brand-X, Ford calls it a trac-loc) but you might want to get a bottle of friction modifier & add it to the differential. The clutches need the additive and will wear out if it isn't added periodically. Now as far as the spool goes you can put one up front since those wheels disconnect from the axle thru the hubs but you'll want to be *very* sure that you never drive it on the road or a hard surface with the hubs engaged or the axle will be steering the truck not you (and you & the axle may have different ideas about where you want the truck to go). You don't want to put one in the rear because you'll destroy your tires or snap an axle shaft. A locker can go in either axle but with the Bronco being such a short wheelbase vehicle what you'll find is that the rear axle won't disengage very often and you'll get the funkyiest wear pattern on the rear tires because you'll almost always drag one of them thru every turn you make. Lockers also have a tendency to steer the truck under acceleration but it's just something you have to get used to. If you get a lot of ice & snow you may not want one because on black ice a locker can make the truck real squirrely. If your existing trac-loc is in good shape you may want to try just going with a locker up front & you'll probably be surprised at how much of an improvement it'll be. On the other hand if you're going to tear them down for a gear change that's definitely the time to make changes to the differential.

 
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YEs, the factory "posi" or limited slip (L/S) in the bronco is a Trac-Lok, which uses clutches or small dics to engage both axles. Simply put, an "open" diffferential is one without any traction-adding devices. When one tire slips, it gets all the power and the other tire sits still. A L/S or posi will detect the slippage thru centrifugal force, and engage the non-spinning axle to split power to both sides. A locker will do the same thing, but uses gears, air or other means to lock both sides together. A spool replaces the spider gears and both axles are fully locked at all times.

I've seen several of thhe broncos with bad traction in the rear with factory L/S due to the clutches being worn out. They can be replaced, and should be if you do a gear swap. For the Ford 8.8" rear axle, this is about as far as I would go to keep from damaging the gears when running taller tires. the weak point is the C-slips that hold the axleshafts into the center carrier, as well as the spot welds on the axle tubes.

Everyone has their own opinion and experience for the front. Stock set-up is open in most broncos, which is easiest on parts but remember the loss of traction and what happens/ One tire spins, the other sits still. If one gets in the air, it will usally spin. that leaves the rear tires to push you off the rock. With an open rear axle or a worn out L/S, you often have only one tire pushing the whole rig and you're stuck.

I like to run a full spool in the front D44 TTB, since it's the cheapest option when changing gears. Since you have to replace the carrier when going above 3.92 gears, it's only about $30-$40 more to go with a spool instead of a new carrier and perhaps a trak-lok or locker. It makes turning harder in tight trails, so you have to unlock one hub to "disengage" the spool for turning. but it's not that big of a deal for me, since I run with one hub unlocked until I need the extra traction of the spool and lock the other hub. It will be very ******* u-joints and axleshafts, and you will break one if you suddenly change traction.

For the 78 Bronco, I'm currently running it open, but plan to add a Detroit True-trac. This is a gear-driven limited slip that alot of local guys prefer for rock crawling next to the ARB air locker.

Lastly, there are some things you can do to upgrade or strengthen your stock axles. New gears, lockers, larger spline-count shafts, etc to help you out. But my thinking is why spend the bucks on the stock 1/2-ton axles when i can start off with 1-ton axles that are already stronger? Same thinking on the motor swap that I used. Why spend the bucks on another 351W boat anchor when I can start off with a 460?

Just my $0.02, and I would ask alot of questions and get several opinions from folks that have experience doing what you want to do with the Bronco. Have a vision of what you want the Bronco to become and work towards that goal. You can sell some of the used parts as you go to help offset the cost of upgrades, but you seldom get back what you've spent. I'm always amazed at how well a bone-stock bronco does on the trails, so go wheeling first, JSM84

 
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thanks for all the help. ya i go wheeling right now. im not lifted and run 33s. haven got stuck yet. well i did get stuck on a car i was drivin on. ripped my fender almost off and bent my passanger fender. but i fixed it with a strong tree. a chain. a come along and i boulder half the size of my truck.

i would love to do the one ton swap but have no place nor the money to do it right now thats why for now i am seeing what i can get with the stock stuff and a lift. my rear end is new so the trac lock works good. ill prob throw a lift on it. some thirty fives. some gears and bring some spare parts and see what happens. i just want to be up and running by the time summer gets here. ill also try to afford a trac lock or somethin for the front 44.

 

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famous, what area are you from, and what if any ORV parks are enear you that you will go to? I ask this because some places have rocks that are really ******* tires, others have lots of trees and tight trails. If you like, you can join me in the chat room.

 
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i live in cali. i have two laces near me. on park called prarie city. and some other place i know of. but then i live like a two hour drive from the rubicon trail head. and i go campin there alot during the summer. just never been able to get on it. but i want to this summer.

 

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You should have a better than average chance of running without too much breakage out there with a 4" or 6" lift and 35's, with just the factory rear L/S and open front. JBG sells a Trac-Lok for the front for about $250 that would be a good add-on when you swap gears.

 
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thanks for all the info. do u think its a good idea to well my axle tubes to the pumpin so i dont spin one when wheeling?

 

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wow, there is a huge difference from playing at Prairie City & running the Rubicon!

Been years since I was up there but full size rigs like ours have some serious challenges up there. Don't let your ego or your buddies (who may or may not help get you fixed & certainly not help pay for it) talk you into taking all the nastiest stuff head on, there are a few easier lines around the worst of it that will likely cause you to get some lip around the camp fire while having a cold one but beats sitting broken on the trail all night trying to get things fixed.

 
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ya i know there is a huge difference. he just asked what was around me. i hike alot and i have done alot of hiking along the rubicon as well as i do endure trips out there. so i know whats out there. and also i dont really have any friends who wheel. well like two but me wanting to go out there is something i have wanted to do since a kid. nothin to do with ego. i used to camp at the beggining of the rubicon as a kid and watch all the jeep jamboris roll by. but ya. for now i dont plan on gettin to crazy out there. i know my limits. just want to have fun. and if i break something then i break something and i fix it. thats life. thanks for all the input

 

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