94' 351W New Engine Woes .

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Ozark Hauler

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Hey folks ,

Hope all is going good . I finally got the new 351w installed in my 94' EB . Engine runs fantastic (now) . When it went in 2 months ago it had a strange problem . It was only firing on #'s 1/4/5/8. Turned out after a week of the dealership techs' scratchin' their **** raw and $550.00 in repair bills that the Pooter' was wet ,and there were several more Rat-Ate wires that I missed ! Cooked it's innards I guess .

Like I said it's a great engine . Oil pressure ,temp, etc. is flawless , I've got 2500-3000 miles on it and it doesn't skip a beat . But , It just lacks the power the old 351w had even with 163+k miles before it went "****' Up" . I've done nothing major to this engine other than a K-N air filter , the dealership set the timing @ 10*btdc and I've got the right T-stat in it .

The dealer told me it had a rebuilt engine it when I got it in 05' . It had everything still on it (pollution control) original exhaust and it pulled like a MULE , this 351W pull like a donkey .

Could the old 351w possibly been "cammed" ? My biggest gripe is passing and hills , and the mileage sucks !! I could go just over 200 miles to NE. St. Louis on 3/8ths of a tank .

Today we went down to Table Rock Lake near Branson, Mo. and back a total of 220 miles on 5/8ths. of a tank , there were a "pack load" of hills and curves that were great for a bike . The first 1/4 tank off of a ful tank used to get 100-120 miles and on a trip to OKC last fall I managed almost 370 miles (had about an 1/8th. tank left) before a fill-up . That truck went from Shawnnee, Ok. near OKC to Republic, Mo. just south of Springfield on 7/8th of a tank . pulling a 71' Buick Riviera through the Boston Mtns. in Arkansas on through the Ozarks and that was when it finally started having the engine problems . I've run that truck hard since the first week I got it in feb. 05'. We average about 1200-1500 miles a month (mostly highway ). I've replaced the bushings in the front end , new brakes and tires and the engine .

I have one theory on it's lower power - The engines larger cylinders with the original cam specs does not let the cylinders "fill up" due to the larger bore/increased volume/same lift/duration cam . So I figure a new cam and the exhaust should really wake up this slug .

I've read here recently that the EEC 4 does not like alot of changes . Any possible problems with my plans ?

I use the truck like it's a truck , low speed mid-high rpm. pulling (stumps, small trees,heavy loads-2000-4500rpm if needed) , Highway (a WHOLE lot of them ) I'm apt to run everywhere from 50-85mph . I cruise @ 70mph-75mph (70mph. is 2000rpm.) I'd like a cam (Comp Cams?) that starts coming in around 1800 rpm. The $550.00 was ear-marked for my exhaust so it still sports the "Corked" exhaust for awhile . I'll be getting a new system with one 3" Spun Ceramic High Flow Cat , and a Dynomax(Magnaflow) 2.25" dual out ( or,,,, a 2.5" single)because of those small exhaust ports I try keeping the exhaust size down keeping some back pressure for low rpm. torque .

Thanks ,

Steve

 

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I have a 204/214 duration cam with a .448/.472 lift cam in my 94. It is supposed to be an idle to 5500RPM cam with the Performer Intake I have but have noticed it likes to let me know it's in there at around 1200 or so rpm's. The computer isn't fond of the idea of the cam but it manages. As long as you don't mind playing around with the timing you can do pretty good with it. I also have an adjustable fuel pressure regulator and that helps a bit too. I was told that the injecters were 24# injectors untill a buddy said "nope my man, those are stock" so I ran the numbers and yep, 19#ers... Stupid me for listening to the dealership guy, he also said it had a 302 in it... What was I thinking? Anyways, a "new motor" and a rebuild later this is what I have. It'll launch like **** if you load the converter to about 1500 RPM's and it'll pull like **** if you keep it out of OD at around the same RPM. I had my timing set by an older fella who's been doing this kind of "stuff" for several years but I didn't tighten my dizzy down good enough and at a hard launch getting onto the highway spun it off a few dagree's and I've been playing with that ever since. Anyways, a mild cam shouldn't be to bad but remember, you have a roller motor (or it should be) so you'll either get a roller cam or have to get new flat tappit lifters and new push rods which will take some power away due to drag on the cam. I have a flat tappit now but I have pedistool mounted 1.7 roller rockers to make up the difference. Hope this ramblin helped a little.

 
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Hey guys , thanks fo the replies .

Cam sounds great ! Eventually I'd like "shorty" headers to add to the mix . I don't like obnoxious exhaust notes ,so it would be fairly quiet (I'm staring at 50 REAL HARD) I like a good deep rumble but no Blat Blat like flowmasters (GOTTA hear my Jimi Hendrix while I cruise)!!!! I'm just a gray-haired rocker at heart !

As far as the tires , I've had 31x10.50x15's BFG A/T's since I bought the truck in 05' . At that time and up until Jan. 07' I got around 350-400 miles on a tank (26 gl.?) (example-220 miles to N.E. St. Louis on 3/8ths. tank averaging 70mph. (75-85mph to pass) .

The old engine had 145-150+psi. dry compression (wet-165psi.) , this one is at 125 psi. "dry" across the board .Tells me the company that remaned the engine used "Cereal Bowl" dished pistons instead instead of "Ash Tray" dished pistons . I don't wan't to get into milling heads/decking blocks . I don't know if Ford makes thinner head gaskets for increased compression .

I figured a higher duration/lift cam would allow more air to enter the cylinders during the intake cycle . I've got the stock 19# lb.hr. injectors (Orange body). Again, if I go up in injector size I hurt my mileage (I live on a fixed income ,the nearest city;Springfield is 100 miles round trip , nearest town to shop is a 40 mile round trip) so mileage is a big issue as is performance . There has to be a way to get a bit of both using a cam/exhaust package . It is a "roller engine" so it looks like the cam will be about $260.00 @ Summit + gaskets again.

It's a damm sharp truck inside and out as well as fairly functional . I know Summit has a set of Shorties w/smog for cheap (I'm not going to pan out $300-400 for Gibsons etc.)

Do you think I'm on the right track ?

Should I be looking at Comp Cams or is there a cam company out there that runs better in a ford ?

How about .020" steel Shim Head Gaskets , are they availeable ?

Thanks,

Steve

 

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I don't know about all the gaskets and such but I have a "cheap" cam that's equivilant to an edlebrock performer cam. It's not a "computer" cam though but it does work. If you have a good machine shop that's not to outragious on price have you thought about port/polish on the intake and heads? I run the loud twin 2.5 exhaust mufflerless but there is a guy with single 3" that says it's just as good and sounds good to but I don't know. I would imagine it sounds nice since a lot of the Titans have a set up close to that. But freeing up the breathing is always a good idea as I figure you know already. Oh, and I need some Hendrix to cruise too but I have a loud stereo to drown out the exhaust! I'm a young rocker!

 
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. Oh, and I need some Hendrix to cruise too but I have a loud stereo to drown out the exhaust! I'm a young rocker!
Get the Jimi Hendrix boxed set at Circuit City . They have an amazing selection of New/Vintage Rock and Blues !

Get some Foghat,Fuel,Nickleback,Stone Temple Pilots,ZZ Top,Molly Hatchet, Three Doors Down while yer at it !

Just because I'm close to 50 and I've got more hair on my back than my head don't mean $h!te !!! I've been a Hard-Core Rocker from the 60's to now . And that ain't gonna change one Friggin' Iota ! :blink:

Best thing about living in the sticks here is my 30'x40' shop a True Kenwood Quad Reciever , over 300 CD's and 100+ albums and no neighbors for a 1/4 mile in either direction is I can CRANK my tunes with impunity . Even the little Forest Creatures go *** is that !!!???? :wacko: When I Git Stupid with the music .ehehehehhe !!!!

Steve

 

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Well, when I'm at home (in my little apt.) I like to jam my Randy Rhodes flying V threw my Peavey renown 112 amp and the neighbors will try to overdo me with their "bumps" but nothing can outdo a bad ass guitar riff! (I know it's off topic but had to say it..)

 

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Heh heh heh, you guys are great. so you evidently have lower compression, eh? that will definately **** your power. if you're looking for a cam, lunati looks pretty good. they're computer compatible (least so they say), and have a good range of lift varieties. crane has an affordable one, as well as isky. i found some at summit racing:

Camshaft Specs (Lift, Duration).....| Part Number.......| Price

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Lift .445/ .477, Duration 270/ 279 | LUN-51013LUN...| $302.69

Lift .477/ .477, Duration 272/ 282 | LUN-510A1LUN...| $302.69 <--- most logical choice for your application]

Lift .500/ .510, Duration 284/ 292 | LUN-51014LUN...| $302.69

Lift .522/ .522, Duration 268/ 279 | LUN-51023.........| $302.69

Lift .525/ .525, Duration 292/ 276 | LUN-510A4LUN...| $338.39

Lift .530/ .530, Duration 262/ 270 | CRN-444215.......| $239.95 <--- most affordable and highest lift]

Lift .480/ .500, Duration 257/ 265 | ISK-371257-265 | $282.69 *may or may not agree with computer*

these are just the cams, though. no tappets, pushrods, gears, just the bump stick. fully compatible though. part numbers are for summit.com

milling the head and/or reducing gasket thickness is a good way to increase compression, though it may not be enough (≈20-30psi below original). it might just end up par with the original compression, if you can get the right specs.

i recommend getting headers. preferrably full length, or at least shorties without smog fittings. you can bypass the egr by plugging the inlet on the bottom of the valve (my old man welded the hole shut on the nut, so it's like a removable cap). this won't affect the computer, but will result in good, cold, clean air entering the engine.

if you go with a single exhaust, 3" all the way from headers to back, with high flow cat. if dual, no smaller than 2.5", no larger than 3", high flow cat(s).

hope this helps out any. keep rockin'

 

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As far as I know the stock valve springs will allow up to a .500 lift and the pistons don't want anything more than a .550 lift I believe. So that would be another issue that may need to be addressed.

 
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Thanks ,

Yeah those who can't play listen....intensely[/b] !

The Cam info is great . Oughta keep me busy awhile ! I don't want to go wild ,though . I drive @ around 2000-2200 rpm. I don't know when the torque comes in at . But I'd like the truck to really start pulling at around 1800-2000 and be strong around 3500-4500 when I pass . If I have to pull a heavy load out of here I sometimes use low range depending on what's tied to my ****-end . The "short" road out takes you through 2 creeks up a 3/8ths. mile 20-25* grade with the last 50-75' feet half as much again and a sharp turn . I've pushed myself down that sucker with a 16' trailer loaded with a 71 Buick Riviera brakes locked and sliding after the truck wanting to head straight (Large "Ditch" with boulders not rocks!) instead of turning the curve . Too late that time but I had the Bronco in low-range/low the next time I came down . The "Long Way" out starts right at the back of our property line with a HARD hairpin then about 25*+ grade back to the left . That climb is a solid 3/4 mile up a loose SOB of a hill . That Bronco in Low/Low hauled an 18' equipment trailer loaded with a Skid-Steer Bobcat,bucket hydraulic auger and augers up that thing and never skipped a tire ! Ford Tough @ 162,000+ miles . I would be nervous about working the truck like that now .

We "lost" our first tree on that hill just up about 75-100' this week . It was a 2' diameter and 30-40' dead oak that hit all the way across the road and busted up in 3 sections . Our neighbor took his tractor up the hill to clear that mess . Ahhhh , A new winter in the Ozarks ! It gets real "dicey" here with Ice Storms and heavy damm rains . Feb. 06 we went to Branson to see BB King it snowed all the way(90 miles) , great show ! While we were there it rained snowed and froze here ,we took the long way in because the paved part was straight . We hit that steep grade at the back in low-range/2nd. and the frozen mud and ice was ripe for a slide . The Bronco got squirrelly and slid down a major portion of it, all we could was hold on.We got down to the bottom and there were "Pucker Marks" in my seat . On a Pucker Factor Scale of 10 it was an 11 . heheheheh Keeps ya young , however,,,, my better half didn't see the humor too well :unsure:

Bottom line is I need to get that truck back better and stronger ,but not till spring .

Steve

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