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electricdude12

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Hi, I have read all the responses for POSM problems, and I am having issues with my 94 EB. My Trans goes into crazy mode,(shifts hard all forward gears and tachs 200-400 more RPM'S than usual),cruise control quits working,VSS sets a no input code,and charging system fails or has low voltage. Has anyone else come across these symptoms? Also when cruise control is working it will hold speed until 70mph,after 70 the cruise starts hunting up and down while on. I have had the rear end completely re-built at a prof shop 2 years ago and really havn't noticed the problem till now.

Thanks

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yo E.D.,

This problem does occur at times. I guess the code was 452?

In any event, this problem could be caused by a # of thangs; but since the rear was touched (ummm...) we should begin there and it is one of 1st step in Ford's EXTENSIVE pin-point tests for this problem.

bad vehicle speed sensor (VSS) (also called ABS, or DSS sensor) sensor on da 8.8 (rear differential)

Connector/corroded wires inside connector; or cruddy/damaged tone ring in the 8.8 (Make sure the exciter ring is mounted correctly to the ring gear). If runout is more than 0.1mm (0.004")...., Any slight dents, chips, etc., in either the exciter ring or VSS will create needle waver. Measure air gap between the VSS and exciter ring. It should be 0.38-0.51mm (0.015-0.020"). All this & more is in the TSB below)

bad wiring/shorts /connectors (from VSS) at; firewall, at 4WABS Module and /or at PSOM and then onto the PCM & Cruise ckts

bad 4WABS Module - It is located below ws wiper fluid/coolant recovery tank. So, the connector can be corroded by leaking fluid

bad PSOM (Speedo)

Here is the path;

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if Image doesn't appear see it @ http://www.thedieselstop.com/faq/9497faq/maint/stj/images/k17799c.gif

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My 96's same symptoms were erratic until the 4WABS Module's microprocessors finally burnt-out. 4WABS Module, also called da abs computer; I had one go bad and 2 yard Modules were also bad; so I jumpered the Module out as Steve describes below.

If neither a voltmeter nor frequency counter is available, vehicle speed control may be used as a good indicator. If it works normally, then the speedometer module is at least receiving a speed input signal and the wiring and sensor can be assumed to be good. Soooo....

To bypass the 4WABS module @ it's harness's connector & feed the ABS signal directly to the PSOM,

Disconnect module (under coolant recovery /ws washer tank) & in connector, jumper LG/Bk to LG/Y, and R/Pk to O/LB..."

Source: by Steve83 (Steve, That dirty old truck) at http://www.supermotors.net/registry/media/170517_1

Pin numbers are shown in the wiring diagram

or; Continuity Test Through 4WABS Module Connector in 93-96; "...jumper 14 (CKT 530, LG/Y) to 21 (CKT 519 (LG/BK) & 39 (CKT 491 (O/LB) to 22 (CKT 523, R/PK)...";

Source: by Turbo Ghost at http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/turboghost/ABSConnectorw-jumpers.jpg============

Speed Input Signal Test @ PSOM in 93-96 Bronco; "...NOTE: Only wiring harness end of connector is to be probed. * Connect Rotunda Digital Volt-Ohmmeter 014-00407 or equivalent to Pin 4 (speed in ) and Pin 5 (speed in -). * Does the voltage increase smoothly and continuously from 0 to approximately 3.5 volts as vehicle speed increases from 0 to 48 km/h (0 to 30 mph)? OR: If available, a frequency counter may be connected to Pin 4 (Speed in ) and Pin 5 (Speed in -). Does the displayed frequency of the signal increase smoothly and continuously from 0 to approximately 667 Hz at approximately 48 km/h (30 mph)? OR: * If neither a voltmeter nor frequency counter is available, vehicle speed control may be used as a good indicator. If it works normally, then the speedometer module is at least receiving a speed input signal and the wiring and sensor & tone ring can be assumed to be good.

This is tuff to do; suggest using str8 pins to back probe the connector

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PSOM Pointer PSOM Pointer Waiver TSB 96-21-11 for 92-96; "..The speedometer needle may waver and or a light surge may occur on some vehicles..." read more

Source: by Ford via miesk5 @ http://home.comcast.net/~miesk5/tech..._bulletins.htm

This also addresses the tone ring & PSOM unit

EXCERPT; ISSUE: The speedometer needle may waver and/or a light surge may occur on some vehicles when speed control is used at highway speeds between 80-113 km/h (50-70 mph). This may be due to slight dents/chips in either the exciter ring or the Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) and air gaps between the VSS and the exciter ring.

ACTION: Replace the Programmable Speedometer/Odometer Module (PSOM) if required. New PSOM's come with increased immunity to system variability. Refer to the following Diagnostic Procedure for details.

DIAGNOSTIC PROCEDURE

BRONCO/F-SERIES - Perform normal PSOM diagnostics per Pinpoint Tests "H" and "J" of the 1996 F-Series/Bronco Body/Chassis Service Manual, Pages 13-01-30 through 13-01-32 and Pinpoint "B" of the 1996 Powertrain/Drivetrain Service Manual, Page 10-03-11.

Any slight dents, chips, etc., in either the exciter ring or VSS will create needle waver. Measure air gap between the VSS and exciter ring. It should be 0.38-0.51mm (0.015-0.020"). Check exciter ring runout per the same ring gear backface runout procedure of the appropriate model 1996 Powertrain/Drivetrain Service Manual, Section 05-00. Make sure the exciter ring is mounted correctly to the ring gear. If runout is more than 0.1mm (0.004"), perform the differential runout check per the procedure in the appropriate model 1996 Powertrain/Drivetrain Service Manual, Section 05-02A or 05-02D, to find cause and repair as needed

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Tone Ring Inspection; "Take off the rear diff cover. Check the Ring Tone gear. It is located on the left hand side of the ring gear. Look to see if any of the teeth have been notched (from debris floating around in the diff.) Usually a spider gear. If the ring tone gear has been notched, it will need to be replaced to fix your speedo reading. Jack it up and rotate the tires to look for the teeth to be notched/broken/bent..."

Source: by Bighibbi at FSB

more VSS info in my site @ http://www.broncolinks.com/index.php?index=139

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More 4WABS Info, Connector Location and pin out diagrams etc in my site @ http://www.broncolinks.com/index.php?index=240

I know it's a lot to read & go thru, but the Ford tests are longer and include cking each connector pin for Terminal backout in the anti-lock electronic control module harness connector, & other connectors in da path

GL!

 
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Hi, I did replace the cluster with one out of a 96 with 90,ooo on it thinking the POSM was bad. The check engine light came on and the alt was not charging when this cluster was installed. I went back to my old one and everything was good again. Any ideas what happened? Double checked connections and made sure everything was clean...................

 

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yo,

I didn't get much sleep last night so I need to go thru this again;

re:

did replace the cluster with one out of a 96 with 90,ooo on it thinking the POSM was bad.

The check engine light came on and the alt was not charging when this cluster was installed.

Take it to a NAPA or A good auto electric shop, etc for the althernator test (& batty) to rule out a bad diode which a few of my Ford pals & I believe may cause E4OD and PCM issues such as this.

I went back to my old one and everything was good again.

So, the original cluster works & E4oD shifts well?

& PSOM reeds goods? & Cruise works fine too?

Suspect connector issues on Cluster/PSOM

or replacement PSOM is bad internally, usually due to bad solder joint(s)

Any ideas what happened? Double checked connections and made sure everything was clean

Did I get this straight?

 
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Sorry if I'm buggin you, Replaced the alt before installing new cluster and verified charging system.However the 90,000 cluster still had prob I described earlier. Don't think I'll be using that one anytime soon. The old cluster reads fine, however it does do it's crazy $^^%$^%$### intermitently, not so much now that the weather has cooled off here(?). I have not performed the tests as of yet(At work in Vegas) but will when I return to Tucson Thurs. Printed out alot of info you provided on the net and will help a great deal.

 

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yo, ok, no problem at all!

Heat /cold seems to be a clue that helps; the 4WABS Module has all those microprocessrs that burn up as mine did; the tests will def help figure out the prob tho.

Many others had and are having this issue too; one in MN has a tranny shop that just can't seem to understand the simple multimeter tests and can't communicate back to him on what they have checked; so they pulled tranny to change reverse clutches! This was supposed to happen yesterday.. what a ** shame!

Am awaiting results and guess what they will be?

 
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Hi, I'm taking a wild guess and say the same! I had my friends shop total rebuild mine with new parts 2 years ago because I trailer my sand rail to Mexico and the dunes alot. The Bronco ntows things great and has 4 wheeled through the highest peaks in Colo to the salt air in Florida. Has 245,000 on it with the original 5.8 and only has a slight rear main drip. Goes through emissions like it's not even running.Thought it might be the trans at one point but ruled that out after the 5th or 6th time in crazy mode. I have 5 days off for the holiday so I will dive into it. I will keep you posted and get back withyou when I know something.

Happy Holidays

 

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