New Engine

[broncogirl89]

I'm thinking of dropping a new engine in my 89 bronco, and would like to boost the engine from the stock 302 to a new crate 351. I know there are a few things i'll need to replace due to the fact it won't bolt on to the new 351, just not sure what else i'm missing. Would hate to get into the middle of it and start figuring out some of this stuff after the fact. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Justshootme84]

Go to the "How-To & Tech Articles" forum, and click on the link for "Miesk5 Homepage". You'll find several links to engine swaps. FI you need more info on changing the wiring harness, go to fordfuelinjection.com

 

[BLADE262US]

You will need a new computer must be for a 5.8 with whatever tranny you have . I have done this to my 89 . You can use your harness but a couple things need to be re pinned out . The 351 doesnt have a couple sensore like the 302 did like the knock sensor located at the very back middle of the block and the power steering sensor located in the high pressure line of the powersteering pump . My suggestion is locate the correct computer before you begin that project , I have one here for a 5.8 with and E4OD /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

 

[broncogirl89]

You will need a new computer must be for a 5.8 with whatever tranny you have . I have done this to my 89 . You can use your harness but a couple things need to be re pinned out . The 351 doesnt have a couple sensore like the 302 did like the knock sensor located at the very back middle of the block and the power steering sensor located in the high pressure line of the powersteering pump . My suggestion is locate the correct computer before you begin that project , I have one here for a 5.8 with and E4OD /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

Thanks, i'm still in the thinking about it stage... not real sure i want to take on this project... but love the idea of the increased HP.

 

[steechfinger]

have you thought about just rebuilding the 5.0 withe heavy duity componats that engine is a little bit easier to get aftermarket parts and you could proably build that engine with more hp then the 5.8 cheaper cuz they make everything you could ever want for that 5.0 just a thought

 

[broncogirl89]

have you thought about just rebuilding the 5.0 withe heavy duity componats that engine is a little bit easier to get aftermarket parts and you could proably build that engine with more hp then the 5.8 cheaper cuz they make everything you could ever want for that 5.0 just a thought

Actually that's one of the ideas that i'm bouncing around... just tryin to figure out what i want.. guess it's one of those women things..takes us forever to figure it out..but once we do..watch out world!!!! ****

 

[whitey]

i would remanufacture it. see if you can find a good shop in your area. being from texas myself and seeing thats where you are, you should have plenty of options and places that specialize in trucks. i know an engine may be just an engine but, i feel better having somebody who is into trucks working on mine. rather than say a shop that specializes in in rice burners but will pretty much do anything that rolls in.

as mentioned in other threads and from actual quotes i've had in the last few months- it will probably run around $2500 ish. this would include removal of the engine, a quality job (resurfacing, overboring, etc) and reinstallation of your engine. and it would also include any new engine parts you want to bring along to have them installed while they have it out. you could get it for less $$$ but that means they're pretty much going to just reinstall all your old EXTERNAL parts like the starter, alternator, etc. etc. so while it's out you may as well make it lke new and gather the parts so that would bring your estimate right around the $2500 range. a few hundred or so more if you upgrade to say a heavy duty starter and alternator or hi-per ignition parts. if you really want to blow it out performance wise- which is up to you- expect to pay more. weigh the costs vs. your needs before you do that though.

best thing to do is what i like to do. start picking up those parts, a starter, alternator, water pump, hoses, wires and plugs all those "little" things etc. unless you've already replaced them very recently of course and have them ready to go when you take it in for the rebuild. most shops i've talked to here will work within a budget. so lets say you don't want to go over $3000.

i would definitely and i think a lot of other members here would agree- stay away from a crate engine. members can confirm some of the nightmares. if you really insist on swapping to a bigger engine i would take it to a reputable place and see if they can make a recommendation.

it's good that you're taking your time rather than rushing into it. because it may be more expensive in the short term but, way more worth it in the long run. if your engine now is running semi reliably you can aways tune it up get her (or him -LOL) reliable as possible and drive it until it's time.

good luck.

 

[Yardape]

Nightmares with a crate engine? Never heard of anyone who has had any troubles with a crate engine. (only self inflicted, mystery bolt made it down the intake runner and past a valve into the cylinder) Anyways crate engines come with warranties as well. You can pick your horsepower, Gets no easier than this. I am in a totally different area of the globe than you guys, but I cannot imagine how this would be different here than down there. You order a crate engine from Coast High Performance or straight from Ford Motorsport, I am confident you will be tickled pink. Another thing any shop I know of or heard gets extremely upset when you start bringing in your own parts for them to install. They make a killing of resale, you tap into that and any deals you were looking for will be blown out the window. Sorry ****** don't mean to bash what you are saying but I strongly disagree with your advice, unless in Texas things are different than the rest of the world. Anyways Bronco girl you are probably more confused than when you started but just shop around, If you do opt for a re-build make sure you do your homework, you could be in for a nightmare. In my opinion a crate engine is the way to go. I know many guys that have bought them and swear by them, from drag racers to mud boggers, right to daily street use. Good luck.

 

[whitey]

when i see the term crate engine i mean an engine from napa or AZ or pep boys etc. maybe should have clarified that. when i hear crate i assume retail auto parts chain. obviously an engine from F motorsport or a h-per shop would be ideal. but, without clarification in the original post i assume retail. that may be my error in terms so i'll give you that. in other words picking up an engine at auto zone to me would be bad.

i am no longer in texas for what it's worth but, california...

i respectfully disagree with your argument about not bringing in your own parts. in so california i have been quoted from 3 different reputable and reliable shops that do custom and straight remanufacture for a semi stock rebuild. in each case the estimates were almost the same +/-.

each estimate was for a pretty stock rebuild of my existing engine, with .030 overboring, the usual checks for leaks and cracks, resurfacing, internal engine parts all of that. and removal, reinstall and extended warranty. these quotes do not include external engine compartment parts such as alternators, starters, hoses, pumps and pulleys etc. those options are in addition to the engine rebuild and for those parts i was told either they can get "the best they could" to work within my budget or if i preferred can bring in the parts i prefer myself. these are not internal engine parts.

anyhow everything rolled into it the end cost is around $3000. for just the rebuild and labor it is roughly $2000. being the **** OCD i am i want to replace most of the parts in the engine compartment that i can afford.

if i don't have time to do a certain repair due to my work schedule i routinely buy my own parts and take it to the mechanics i work with on those occassions. they have absolutely no problem with it at all and i have piece of mind in knowing what parts were used. i'm not out looking for deals and if i'm dealing with someone who is cutting me a break beacuse i let them pick what goes into my truck; then they don't get my money- it's that simple. i'm paying them to do the work after all, and don't view having them work on my truck as some privelege to me. we're talking mechanics here what kind of deal will the average mechanic offer anyhow?

 

[Yardape]

I guess "deal" was not the right choice in words, but where I am from they get extremely ****** if you even mention bringing your own parts. Most shops almost all outright refuse to install customer brought parts. They say its warranty issues. Thats Bullsh@t if you ask me. The shops that allow you to bring your own parts usually charge an extra $25hr or so. Doesnt affect me, I refuse to allow anyone to touch my vehicles. I'd rather ***** everything up royally than to say "Hey like the truck that Joe Blow build for me?" Someone elses hands on my truck is like someone elses hands on my wife, ain't gonna happen. Wel...Unless its another woman and I have a video camera......... ummm never mind we wont go there

 

[whitey]

i know what you mean but, sometimes i just don't have the time or space or tools. and sometimes i don't have the knowledge. i know for a fact replacing an engine myself is too much for me and i'd go insane.

usually i'll do repairs but if something goes down and i really need the truck fixed like that day, i'll do it. it's usually small stuff like say a water pump goes on the way to work. i'll go pick up the part, throw my bike in the bed and drop her off and bike to work. at the end of the day ride over pick up the truck and then i have my truck. my boss is a real stickler about work ethic. and i need my truck.

now you may think - a water pump big deal fix it on the weekend- well if you've ever experienced LA traffic you know that the slightest problem can be a BIG one real quick. i've sat in traffic 3 hours to drive 20 miles plenty of times. 3 hours bumper to bumper can make a small problem real bad so i try to fix stuff immedately and if i have to drop it off - i have to. you cannot survive in L.A. without a vehicle. i work close to home so on that end it's cool to go down. BUT, if i need to go further out and my girfriend has her car at work or whatever it's essential to have wheels. there is no way you can be transportationless here. public transit is a nightmare full of some "unsavory" to say the least areas and personalities.

but now yardape you have me rethinking stuff a bit THANKS ALOT /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />. that coast performance is literally a few miles from my front door i may go and check it out and explore some options. my problem is being really **** about keeping my original block etc. but, maybe in the long run it may be better.

i apologize to the original poster if we've made you even more confused. i sincerely thought you were thinking about going to say NAPA and grabbing an engine from them. to me that would have a good chance of being a nightmare. yardapes advice about a quality crate is a good one. so sorry about that but at least you know there are some options.

 

[Yardape]

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[broncogirl89]

Thanks for all the great advise.. I have been weighting my choices.... and while a new motor from a HP shop is nice and easy..it comes with a very nice price (and i cant bring in my own new parts, i have to buy everything from them) If i rebuild the motor, then i can change everything out the way i want it. I was more curious about how much i would have to dig into the motor, harness, ect.... if i were to change over to the 351. I've been looking around at the different links that Meisk has on his web page, but haven't really found what i was looking for.... besides, have you seen all the links he has on there....OMG.. there's some good reading.. i spend 2 hours on there the other night.. and still hadn't made it out of the A's.. but i did find alot of other stuff... so Meisk, if you see this... THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!!!! Can only imagine how long it took to compile all that.