Brake light stays on after switching off?

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martycj8

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My third brake light stays on after switching off and removing the key from the cylinder? The battery then drains. Is this an ignition switch failure? The key cylinder is kind of loose and probably needs replacement. Is this a common problem? Thanks.

92 Bronco XLT, 351, Auto,

 

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yo MARTY

WELCOME

There are two thing I want to give you

#1 Recall, Ignition Switch, Short Circuit Defect info for 88-92 Fords On April 25, 1996 Ford Motor Company announced the recall of approximately nine million cars, trucks and minivans that may be equipped with a faulty ignition switch that may be responsible for causing hundreds of fires. In no case has any death or serious injury resulted from these fires. The recall covers 1988-93 models sold in both the U.S. and Canada that Ford says, "In a very small number of vehilces, the ignition switch could cause an internal short circuit, creating the potential for overheating, smoke and possibly fire in the steering column of the vehicle." The faulty ignitions switches can cause a short circuit that may lead to a fire whether the vehicle is turned on or off.

Source: by AUTOPEDIA™

#2 the switch is not located at the key cylinder

it is near base of steering column as show is this diagram

The part that you insert the key in is called da Lock Cylinder

Lock Cylinder Replacement in a 94 (same for your 92...from Bronco, F-Super Duty Chassis Manual); "...To install ignition cylinder use steps 1-6 on the left column...)

kennys-2034.jpg

Source: by Ken B (Kenny's 94) at SuperMotors.net

Switch Adjustment in a 96 (same for your 92) from 1996 F-150, F-250, F-350 F-Super Duty and Bronco Workshop Manual; "...NOTE: A new replacement ignition switch (11572) assembly will be set in the RUN position as received. Adjust the ignition switch by sliding the carrier to the RUN position. Make sure the ignition switch lock cylinder (11582) is in the RUN position. The RUN position is achieved by rotating the ignition switch lock cylinder approximately 90 degrees from the LOCK position. Install the ignition switch into the column actuator hole. It may be necessary to move the ignition switch back and forth slightly to align the ignition switch mounting holes with the lock cylinder housing threaded holes. Install retaining screws. Tighten to 6-8 Nm (53-71 lb-in). Connect the electrical connector to the ignition switch. Tighten lock ***** to 0.8-1.3 Nm (7-11.5 lb-in). Connect battery ground cable (14301). Check ignition switch for proper function, including START and ACC positions. Also, make sure the column is in the LOCK position..."

Source: by Ford via thedieselstop.com

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Next is your Brake Light issue

Switch, Brake Light On/Off Light (Stoplight Switch) Description & Operation in 92-96; "...The electromechanical stoplight switch, installed on the pin of the brake pedal arm, straddles the push rod of the power brake booster (2005) but is not attached directly to the push rod.

The stoplight switch moves with the pedal arm when the brake pedal (2455) is depressed. The stoplight switch actuating pin is held by spring pressure against the rear end of the power brake booster. Because of the slight clearance between the eye of the push rod of the power brake booster and the brake pedal arm pin, the pin and the stoplight switch move forward slightly before the push rod moves when the brake pedal is depressed. This relative movement between the stoplight switch and the end of the push rod moves the actuating pin rearward in the stoplight switch, closing contacts on the stoplight switch completing the circuit to the rear lamps (13405).

When the brake pedal is released, the stoplight switch moves rearward in relation to the push rod. The spring in the stoplight switch returns the actuating pin to its normal position, opening contacts on stoplight switch and interrupting the circuit to the rear lamps..."

96brakelightswitchparts.gif

Check for power on both sides of the switch w/brake pedal in normal position

should have power just on fus3ed wire lt green/red and no voltage on lt green wire

92.96-multifunction.jpg

wiring diagram by seijirou

or disconnect switch connector and test switch for continuity - should have none w/brake @ norm pos and continuity w/brake pedal depressed

If the switch is bad, try to adjust or replace

If sw is good;

Brake Light (Feed-Through Circuit in Multi-Function Switch (MFS) - (this is the turn/ ws wiper/washer lever), Hazard, Turn, Flash-to-Pass, Dimmer High & Low Headlight Testing & Wiring Diagram in 92-96; "...the MFS testing is done with connectors disconnected; it's strictly an internal test of the MFS;

by Steve83

mfs-testing.jpg

 

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This is going to sound stupid. But while its on go under the dash and unplug the brake switch and see if it goes off..If so the switch on the pedal is bad...And I cant remember if these broncos had this or not, But ive seen on other vehicles,, a RELAY for JUST the third brake light. It was usually marked "HMSL" High mount stop lamp..Stupid idea.. If it gets stuck,,,well there you go. Hope this might help.

 
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yo MARTY

WELCOME

There are two thing I want to give you

#1 Recall, Ignition Switch, Short Circuit Defect info for 88-92 Fords On April 25, 1996 Ford Motor Company announced the recall of approximately nine million cars, trucks and minivans that may be equipped with a faulty ignition switch that may be responsible for causing hundreds of fires. In no case has any death or serious injury resulted from these fires. The recall covers 1988-93 models sold in both the U.S. and Canada that Ford says, "In a very small number of vehilces, the ignition switch could cause an internal short circuit, creating the potential for overheating, smoke and possibly fire in the steering column of the vehicle." The faulty ignitions switches can cause a short circuit that may lead to a fire whether the vehicle is turned on or off.

Source: by AUTOPEDIA™

#2 the switch is not located at the key cylinder

it is near base of steering column as show is this diagram

The part that you insert the key in is called da Lock Cylinder

Lock Cylinder Replacement in a 94 (same for your 92...from Bronco, F-Super Duty Chassis Manual); "...To install ignition cylinder use steps 1-6 on the left column...)

kennys-2034.jpg

Source: by Ken B (Kenny's 94) at SuperMotors.net

Switch Adjustment in a 96 (same for your 92) from 1996 F-150, F-250, F-350 F-Super Duty and Bronco Workshop Manual; "...NOTE: A new replacement ignition switch (11572) assembly will be set in the RUN position as received. Adjust the ignition switch by sliding the carrier to the RUN position. Make sure the ignition switch lock cylinder (11582) is in the RUN position. The RUN position is achieved by rotating the ignition switch lock cylinder approximately 90 degrees from the LOCK position. Install the ignition switch into the column actuator hole. It may be necessary to move the ignition switch back and forth slightly to align the ignition switch mounting holes with the lock cylinder housing threaded holes. Install retaining screws. Tighten to 6-8 Nm (53-71 lb-in). Connect the electrical connector to the ignition switch. Tighten lock ***** to 0.8-1.3 Nm (7-11.5 lb-in). Connect battery ground cable (14301). Check ignition switch for proper function, including START and ACC positions. Also, make sure the column is in the LOCK position..."

Source: by Ford via thedieselstop.com

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Next is your Brake Light issue

Switch, Brake Light On/Off Light (Stoplight Switch) Description & Operation in 92-96; "...The electromechanical stoplight switch, installed on the pin of the brake pedal arm, straddles the push rod of the power brake booster (2005) but is not attached directly to the push rod.

The stoplight switch moves with the pedal arm when the brake pedal (2455) is depressed. The stoplight switch actuating pin is held by spring pressure against the rear end of the power brake booster. Because of the slight clearance between the eye of the push rod of the power brake booster and the brake pedal arm pin, the pin and the stoplight switch move forward slightly before the push rod moves when the brake pedal is depressed. This relative movement between the stoplight switch and the end of the push rod moves the actuating pin rearward in the stoplight switch, closing contacts on the stoplight switch completing the circuit to the rear lamps (13405).

When the brake pedal is released, the stoplight switch moves rearward in relation to the push rod. The spring in the stoplight switch returns the actuating pin to its normal position, opening contacts on stoplight switch and interrupting the circuit to the rear lamps..."

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Check for power on both sides of the switch w/brake pedal in normal position

should have power just on fus3ed wire lt green/red and no voltage on lt green wire

92.96-multifunction.jpg

wiring diagram by seijirou

or disconnect switch connector and test switch for continuity - should have none w/brake @ norm pos and continuity w/brake pedal depressed

If the switch is bad, try to adjust or replace

If sw is good;

Brake Light (Feed-Through Circuit in Multi-Function Switch (MFS) - (this is the turn/ ws wiper/washer lever), Hazard, Turn, Flash-to-Pass, Dimmer High & Low Headlight Testing & Wiring Diagram in 92-96; "...the MFS testing is done with connectors disconnected; it's strictly an internal test of the MFS;

by Steve83

mfs-testing.jpg
 
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I disconnected the brake switch and the lights (white, not red) are still on. I assume the white lights are on a different circuit than the center red. I will changeout the ingition switch next since it was recalled 16 years ago. Your information is great. Thanks.

92 Bronco XLT, 351, Auto,

 

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yo,

The White light (lens) at top of camper top is the Outside Cargo Lamp (Part of 14335 assy that includes the third brake light); the white lens are on both sides of the red lens.

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So I assume it is that outside cargo lamp is lit all the time.

Power is on diff ckt(s) than brake;

from Fuse 8

through Main Light (headlight) switch

and right/left door courtesy lamp switches

92broncocourtesylamps.jpg

Check both Door Jamb switches; they often foul and stick; thus closing da circuit. Use Wd 40 or penetrating oil to ****.

It is adjustable, using the brass sleeve; nut is 9/16"

 

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I thought it was the brake lights..Its the cargo lights? There should be a switch for that on the dash..I thought it was on the dash on one side of the steering column. You got me then. Id say check the switch? :huh:

 

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