which engine to use

[zpd2da]

which engine to use 302 is built but needs a cam and i'd want to use it with a np 435 which i don't have. 351w, or 351c.

i've got all 3 the 351w is in it right now but it needs a rebuild. i've got a built c4 for the 351c and a c4 in it bolted to the 351w. buy the way it's a 68' 3 inch duff lift with dual front shocks.

i'm looking for good desert crawling but nothing to extreme(i wont be driving up walls). i want good low end and a decent top end. i'll be runing 33/12.50/15s.

any thoughts, coments?

 

[LOST1988351]

I like the 351w its got way more torque and power than the 302. And its probobly cheaper and easier to find parts for than the clevland.

 

[BLADE262US]

Me personally Id bolt that cleveland in there if its been rebuilt it will fit right where the 302/351W was and bolts to the same mounts the only problem you may have is the exhaust but theres a company called sanderson that makes some pretty cool headers that are tight fitting so it can be done . I have a 1970 351C that I rebuilt with aussie heads its going in a 1999 ranger extended cab I have . Going to mate it to a C6 and I believe it to be a 205 gear drive T case ford explorer 8.8 in the rear with disk and a dana 44 up front that I narrowed out of a 79 F150 . The cleveland motor is a good motor second choise would be a 351W , As for price on parts ebay is your friend just go into ebay motors and type in 351C youll be amazed the prices I just picked up a 1978 F150 shortbox last night very good shape 6 inch lift 3 inch body and a set of 38 inch swamper boggers on her no motor had a 351M in it I have a buddy that has a cleveland setting in his yard and I think Im going to go buy that in a few min here . Anyway they had Ferrrae one peice stainless steel valves there intake and exhaust brand new for like $159 buy it now you can beat that a guy that has an ebay store mad dog racing is who I got all the parts for the last one from all felpro/cloyes/melling/ Very good stuff at prices way below summit , /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

 

[89Bronco58]

really any good running v8 will do, your only running 33's so if you want torquw you could always go with some gears, 410 gears and 33's would be very torquey, a 351 has more torque stock but a 302 can easily match its power, i have an ** 306 and i run 38's with 410 gears and low range is a monster, i can go up anything at just off idle, i only need the 410 gears because i have some work, cam, injection, k and n, full exhaust...it depends how much money you want to spend...either way...just dont build a chevy )

 

[zpd2da]

i was thinking last night i might go with 35s.

if i use the 351w or 302 how easy or hard is it to bolt on modern muiltyport fuel injection? say off a newer f-150.

i originaly built up the 302 for my 65 falcon, but now i'm thinking about shoe harning a 460 into her.

my only concern with the 351c is the waight and the cooling issues. What are the aussie heads?

also it's not just crawling torque i want. i want that fast reving scary @$$ BRAAPP acceleration just for giggles.

 

[89Bronco58]

the truck u got now is carburated?

 

[zpd2da]

the truck u got now is carburated?

yex 650 cfm carter

 

[89Bronco58]

going to fuel injection will be a task and a half

 

[Some1insc]

I am thinking about getting this 67 Bronco, they say it has a 302 with 450hp but now they say they don't have paper work to show it has 450hp. My question what would it need to have 450hp. ThanksEbay

 

[89Bronco58]

trust me, if you drive soemthing with 450hp...your gonna kno it, when u crack the throttle its gonna take off like a rocket

 

[BLADE262US]

The Aussie heads were cleveland heads that were used on the australian version of the motor they used it as a 302 . The heads have the best of both of our versions the small 2 barrel runners and the quench chamber of the 4 barrel heads they claim that with some port work 500 horse . /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" /> The cleveland was used in the mustangs and torinos it has smaller diameter main journals that the M and 400 makes it rev quicker . Ever rode in a 71 mustang mach 1 dont worry acceleration will not be a problem .

 

[zpd2da]

yex 650 cfm carter

why so tough it should just be bolting on the intake and swiching out the electrics? or am i just pipe dreaming?

i think i'm leaning towards the 351c my only worrys are weight and wether or not to run an auto or a NP.

what is the weight deference between the C and the W?

man the 351c would rip in my 65' falcon but a blown 460 will be better.

 

[Some1insc]

That's what i was thinking also 89Bronco58, now there saying it's not a 302 but a 351.. Going to pick it up Sat so will see how it run's

The Aussie heads were cleveland heads that were used on the australian version of the motor they used it as a 302 . The heads have the best of both of our versions the small 2 barrel runners and the quench chamber of the 4 barrel heads they claim that with some port work 500 horse . /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" /> The cleveland was used in the mustangs and torinos it has smaller diameter main journals that the M and 400 makes it rev quicker . Ever rode in a 71 mustang mach 1 dont worry acceleration will not be a problem .

Thanks Blade262US for the info, now there saying it's a 351. I thought it looked alittle bigger but then again i think it's hard to tell from a picture anyway.

That's what i was thinking also 89Bronco58, now there saying it's not a 302 but a 351.. Going to pick it up Sat so will see how it run's

Thanks Blade262US for the info, now there saying it's a 351. I thought it looked alittle bigger but then again i think it's hard to tell from a picture anyway.

And yes i have rode in a 71 Mach so i know what your talking about..

The Aussie heads were cleveland heads that were used on the australian version of the motor they used it as a 302 . The heads have the best of both of our versions the small 2 barrel runners and the quench chamber of the 4 barrel heads they claim that with some port work 500 horse . /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" /> The cleveland was used in the mustangs and torinos it has smaller diameter main journals that the M and 400 makes it rev quicker . Ever rode in a 71 mustang mach 1 dont worry acceleration will not be a problem .

One more thing since you know what your talking about, what would tell me right off the bat that it's a 351 or where to look for numbers or something. Thanks Scott

 

[BLADE262US]

The quickest way to tell a 351W from a 351C is to look at the intake . If the water neck comes out of the intake its in the 351W/302 class now you will have to measure across the intake to find out if its a 302 or 351W a W is wider Ill have to go measure mine if you want exacts . And thats the only way without dissasembly that you will tell a 302 from a 351W just by looking at them . Now a cleveland is a very hard to find motor seems everyone that has a 78/79 truck thinks they have a cleveland but 99% of them are M motors . A cleveland next to an M look almost identical . The upper radiator hose comes straight up outta the block and there is no cast aluminum timing cover like a 302 or 351W it will appear that the water pump bolts right to the face of the block . The front of the block actually covers the timing chain . Now heres how you tell the difference look at the motor mount bosses in the block a 351C will have exactly the same mounting bosses as a 302 or 351W , 2 bolts inline with the motor an M or 400 has I believe 3 bolt bosses in the side of the block the same as a 429/460 that is the easiest way the other way is a 351C has the small block bolt pattern for the tranny so measure a 302 or 351W and it will match a 351M or 400 has the same pattern as a 429/460 very noticable if youve looked at alot of small blocks . If you do decide to go with the 351C pm me and Ill tell ya a couple things you can do to help the oiling problem the mains have at high RPM,s /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

 

[BLADE262US]

Heres the cleveland I built for my 99 ranger

 

[Some1insc]

The quickest way to tell a 351W from a 351C is to look at the intake . If the water neck comes out of the intake its in the 351W/302 class now you will have to measure across the intake to find out if its a 302 or 351W a W is wider Ill have to go measure mine if you want exacts . And thats the only way without dissasembly that you will tell a 302 from a 351W just by looking at them . Now a cleveland is a very hard to find motor seems everyone that has a 78/79 truck thinks they have a cleveland but 99% of them are M motors . A cleveland next to an M look almost identical . The upper radiator hose comes straight up outta the block and there is no cast aluminum timing cover like a 302 or 351W it will appear that the water pump bolts right to the face of the block . The front of the block actually covers the timing chain . Now heres how you tell the difference look at the motor mount bosses in the block a 351C will have exactly the same mounting bosses as a 302 or 351W , 2 bolts inline with the motor an M or 400 has I believe 3 bolt bosses in the side of the block the same as a 429/460 that is the easiest way the other way is a 351C has the small block bolt pattern for the tranny so measure a 302 or 351W and it will match a 351M or 400 has the same pattern as a 429/460 very noticable if youve looked at alot of small blocks . If you do decide to go with the 351C pm me and Ill tell ya a couple things you can do to help the oiling problem the mains have at high RPM,s /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

Thanks again , and i'll let you know what happens.