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Well that is what I intend on building...

I'm starting out with a stock 1995 XL with a 302 5 spd... 3.55 running gears in the typical 8.8 rear... I will be traveling to the snow for the most part but probably 500 miles of dry road before i hit the mother load... I won't be towing anything behind me... So what I'm looking for is a comfortable ride, that is easy on gas... but if i have to roll thru 200 miles of 1-2 feet of snow/ice to get to my cabin... I need to know that this baby can handle it. I'll be doing this every year...

i just got a bran new Luc Gold clutch kit, hydrolics & flywheel, plus a 5spd master rebuild kit which just arrive today... I felt like a kid in a candy store! :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

The 302 seems to be sound, compression is great for something over 150 grand on it... So depending on what the axles & tires run me, might rebuild or throw in a new crate 302 before the first trip next winter...

The differentials have to be rebuilt anyways, the rear is wining out at 55 & the front is clicking... So my question is to all you guys who know what is out there, between lockers & limited slip, Both??? ARB??? or do an old school OX setup on which axles. Include tire size & even which tire if you want... what kind of heavy duty U-joints are available .. I need something i can count on, extreme environment it gets down below -30 at night...

I'm not saying money is no object, but i rather throw it on something that will last & get the job done... Then fill up some Oil tycoons wallet throwing gas money at them or worse get stuck cause something failed to live up to expectations or couldn't handle the extreme...

Thanks for taking the time... I rather not experiment if i don't have to & rather listen to what others have to say, who might have been there & done that...

 

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yo!

I don't have much to offer other than some comments.

This is from a pal in upper Ontario a few yrs ago;

best mod for snow is a great set of snow tires. next is some good weight in the back of your Bronco so those great snow tires get some decent bite.

if those two options dont work out...then add a SELECTABLE locker. ARB or elocker

i've found being locked in the snow is more of a hinderance

and a person (for a chev, but ok)

If you want to run with one locker it should be in the rear. I have done very well in the snow with open diffs. I did a brief experiment welding (spool) the front diff on my IFS. I found that it didn't help at all in the snow traction wise. And it was scarrier to steer, so I went back to an open diff in the front.

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Just in case; Remanufactured Engines & Transmissions - Motorcraft® Brand, Broncos & all Ford vehicles

Source: by fordinstallersupport.com (http://www.fordinstallersupport.com/files/catalogs/ptm200.pdf)

Remanufactured Engines & Transmissions - Dual Brand, Broncos & all Ford vehicles

Source: by fordinstallersupport.com (http://www.fordinstallersupport.com/files/catalogs/ptf200.pdf)

get some estimates from the Distributors & Ford; Ford has a good guarantee and the Qual is up there. And the Ford reman trannys/engines do not need to be installed by a Ford Dealer

Look at this Excerpt;

"...Ford and Motorcraft Remanufactured Transmissions and Gas Engines

Ford Motor Company, The American Road, Dearborn, MI 48121 (“Ford”) provides the following Limited Warranty on Ford and Motorcraft Remanufactured

Transmissions and Gas Engines to Ford, Lincoln and Mercury Dealers (each being a “Dealer”) or general Installers (each being an “Installer”). This Limited Warranty provides that Ford will credit the Dealer or Installer for repairing or replacing, at Ford’s option, any Ford or Motorcraft Remanufactured Transmission or Gas Engine sold by Ford that is found to be defective in factory-supplied material or workmanship subject to the following terms, conditions and limitations:

Retail Customers: To obtain warranty service, please return your vehicle to any Ford, Lincoln or Mercury Dealership or return to the Installer who

originally installed the Ford or Motorcraft Engine or Transmission Assembly in your vehicle. Please have your original dated receipt for installation date verification.

Complete Gas Engine Long Block Assemblies (6006/6V012) and Transmission Assemblies (7000/7V000/7003)

• 36 months or 36,000 miles from warranty start date, whichever occurs first. Ford will cover 100% of all parts and labor at approved warranty reimbursement rates

• If installed by a Dealer, reasonable towing charges (up to 35 miles or to the nearest Dealer) are covered only if the vehicle is not covered under

another towing insurance coverage Short Blocks (6009/6V009), Cylinder Heads (6049/6V049) and Crankshaft Kits (6303/6V303) for Gas Engines

• 12 months or 12,000 miles from warranty start date, whichever occurs first. Ford will cover 100% of all parts and labor at approved warranty reimbursement rates

• If installed by a Dealer, reasonable towing charges (up to 35 miles or to the nearest Dealer) are covered only if the vehicle is not covered under

another towing insurance coverage

Warranty Start Date

• Ford and Motorcraft Remanufactured Transmissions and Gas Engines installed by the Dealer or Installer—warranty begins on the date of installation

• Ford and Motorcraft Remanufactured Transmissions and Gas Engines sold by Dealer or Installer over-the-counter or to a retail purchaser—

on the date of sale

Limitations to the Warranty

The following limitation applies to the products covered by this Limited Warranty

• Towing charges are not reimbursable for Ford and Motorcraft Remanufactured Transmissions and Gas Engines sold

over-the-counter by a Dealer or Installer..."

read more incl the;

"No-Risk" Core Return policy means accurate quotes for engine and transmissions are no problem. 100 percent core credit will be given (regardless of damage or quality of returned core); just follow these guidelines and the return runs

smoothly.

• Returned core is the same part as the assembly purchased

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U joints;

Identification, Driveshaft in 90-96 Bronco, 90-97 Aerostar, Econoline, F Series, Ranger; 91-97 Explorer; 97 Expedition, Mountaineer

Source: by Steve83 (Steve, That dirty old truck) at http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/media/470494

This is same;

Universal Joint TSB 97-20-15 for 90-96

Source: by Ford via miesk5 at http://home.comcast.net/~miesk5/technical_service_bulletins.htm#Door,%20Side,%20Wind%20Noise%20TSB%2099-6-5%20by%20Ford%20for%2094-96

CTM U-Joint & Axle Shaft, Chromolly 4340 Rebuild in an 81

Source: by Larry S (The Bronc, Larston, Lars915, Lars) at http://web.archive.org/web/20041029170255/http://www.geocities.com/lars915/ChromeMolyAxles.htm

Dimensions & Series Numbers

Source: by Dana www2.dana.com http://www2.dana.com/pdf/IJ900-04.PDF

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Tires?

It's like recommending beer brands... so let's have a Poll!

Old school still is in effect tho; narrow tread and tall, but then you have to recal your PSOM which is ez enuf.

Ask how or look in my site under instrumentation;

http://www.broncolinks.com/index.php?index=651

also look @ Conversion Constants TSB 94-16-16 for 92-94 Bronco, F Series, F 47, Aerostar, Econoline

Source: by Ford via Steve83 (Steve, That dirty old truck) at http://www.supermotors.net/registry/media/646264_1

for Ford's specs on certain size tires

other Snow realted info i've collected over da yrs includes;

http://www.backcountrysurvival.com/

Basic Cold Weather Manual, Field Manual 31-70; "...This manual is designed to prepare the individual soldier and small unit commander to conduct military operations for extended periods of time under the most severe and varying cold weather climatic conditions. The doctrine and techniques in the manual are applicable in any area that has cold weather and snow with their accompanying operational problems..." by USA via backcountrysurvival.com...

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http://www.scc-chain.com/Traction%20Pages/Trac_installation.html

Snow Chains Installation Instructions by scc-chain.com...

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http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=18

Tire Circumference Differences; "...The ability of four-wheel drive and all-wheel drive vehicles to divide the engine's horsepower between its four tires is especially useful on loose or slippery surfaces such as sand and dirt, as well as on wet, icy or snow-covered roads. However it's important to remember that in order to transfer this extra power, the four-wheel drive and all-wheel drive vehicle's driveline mechanically connects the tires so they work in unison. Four-wheel drive and all-wheel drive vehicles are equipped with additional differentials and/or viscous couplings that are designed to allow momentary differences in wheel speeds when the vehicle turns a corner or temporarily spins a tire. However, if the differentials or viscous couplings are forced to operate 100% of the time because of mismatched tires, they will experience excessive heat and unwarranted wear until they fail. This necessitates that four-wheel drive and all-wheel drive vehicles use tires that are very closely matched. This is because different diameter tires roll a different number of times each mile as a result of the variations in their circumferences. Tire diameter variations can be caused by accidentally using different sized tires, tires with different tread designs, tires made by different manufacturers, different inflation pressures or even tires worn to different tread depths. As an example of different tire diameters resulting from tires worn to different tread depths, we'll compare two 225/45R17-sized tires, a new tire with its original tread depth of 10/32-inch and a second tire worn to 8/32-inch of remaining tread depth. The new 225/45R17-sized tire has a calculated diameter of 24.97", a circumference of 78.44" and will roll 835 times each mile. The same tire worn to 8/32-inch of remaining tread depth is calculated to be 1/8" shorter with a diameter of 24.84", have a circumference of 78.04" and will roll 839 times per mile. While the difference of 1/8" in overall diameter doesn't seem excessive, the resulting 4 revolutions per mile difference can place a continuous strain on the tires and vehicle's driveline. Obviously, the greater the difference in the tires' circumferences, the greater the resulting strain. This makes maintaining the vehicle manufacturer's recommended tire inflation pressures and using "matched" tires on all wheel positions necessary procedures to reduce strain on the vehicle's driveline. Using "matched" tires means all four tires are the same brand, design and tread depth. Mixing tire brands, tread designs and tread depths may cause components in the vehicle's driveline to fail. Mismatched tires or using improper inflation pressures for all-wheel drive and four-wheel drive vehicles can also result in immediate drivability problems. Some Control Trac equipped vehicles in 4Auto mode may exhibit a shutter on acceleration and/or a noise from the front driveline and transfer case while driving. Some all-wheel drive and four-wheel drive vehicles may exhibit axle windup or binding while driving. Some four-wheel drive vehicles (manual or electronic shift) with a two-wheel drive mode may refuse to shift "on the fly" into 4x4 Auto or 4x4 High at highway speeds..." read more, esp. Matching Tires By Shaving Them to Maintain Equivalent Tire Tread by tirerack.com...

 

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you should look into hankook dynapro mud terrains, they have holes for studs and they are pretty quiet on the road and are great in mud

 
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Thanks for the great Info miesk5! Yeah i plan to have the truck loaded down, with the Family & their stuff...

hammer down bronco, I'm not really sure what kind of snow tire i plan to run... I have seen some Hankooks on the road before, they do look solid!

I really like to run 31/10.5s, if i can, that still might be to big depending on the actual tire size. I really have no intention on adjusting the running gear at 3.55, that seems about right for the set-up i'm looking for..

I guess, i'm just NOT use to having so many options to go with, when it comes to limited slip... I just don't want to get the wrong ones. Plus I'm not up to date on the lockers & what is available... I have read a ton of info, there is tons of info, but most of all it is for off-road... As i said, i plan to drive this baby thru the snow, yet something that can handle long trips on dry pavement as well... So it's important that i get the limited slip right, so i don't eat up my tires...

I'm going to study my lockers more this week & try to make a decision... I'd like to hear more about other peoples experiences with the types of limited-slips & lockers before i got get anything... specially in the snow & everyday driving...

 

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if your going thru deep snow i would go bigger than 31s unless you get some agressive s.o.b's i have stock gearing and 33s and can run almost 100 mph at almost reg rpms not revving it to high. so stock gearing with 33s i would say its fine. i was thinking about gettin 35s and keeping stcok gears to save dough

 

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Yeah tires are key.

Check out the Goodyear Duratrac tires..they are snow/wet rated in a nice road/offroad tire..

Sounds like a great trip. The bronco is a beast. I've taken mine on many trips. One thing I would recomend for you though.. a GOOD battery!! Don't skip out on this. You said it gets down to -30. If I were you, I'd run a dual battery setup incase your first battery fails, you at least have a backup. And don't be affraid to run your truck all night.

I came back from a trip with my Brocno pulling a 6k lbs trailer. I stopped in the middle of nowhere in WY when it was at least 20 degrees outside. After driving for hours upon hours, I needed a break. So after running 20hrs pulling a trailer up and down mountain hills, then idling for 8hrs (I was knocked out lol), I put it in gear when I woke up, and continued my drive! Only time truck turned off was at gas stations. Kept me toasty the whole way.

 
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if your going thru deep snow i would go bigger than 31s unless you get some agressive s.o.b's i have stock gearing and 33s and can run almost 100 mph at almost reg rpms not revving it to high. so stock gearing with 33s i would say its fine. i was thinking about gettin 35s and keeping stcok gears to save dough
my rear is winein' out at 65 MPH right now, so I'm afraid to push it much more then 65... I been driving it around just to get a feel for the truck almost daily. Once i get my new rear under me, I'll get a better feel for what it can handle tire wise. I got chains for it as well, I'm a big believer in chains...

When i get up there i have my toy (Picture in my Avatar) to play with & that has 38's on it... But that truck is only built for snow & mud, it isn't meant for anything else... So I'm just looking to get this Rig set up for me to go from point A to Point B....

 
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Yeah tires are key.

Check out the Goodyear Duratrac tires..they are snow/wet rated in a nice road/offroad tire..

Sounds like a great trip. The bronco is a beast. I've taken mine on many trips. One thing I would recomend for you though.. a GOOD battery!! Don't skip out on this. You said it gets down to -30. If I were you, I'd run a dual battery setup incase your first battery fails, you at least have a backup. And don't be affraid to run your truck all night.

I came back from a trip with my Brocno pulling a 6k lbs trailer. I stopped in the middle of nowhere in WY when it was at least 20 degrees outside. After driving for hours upon hours, I needed a break. So after running 20hrs pulling a trailer up and down mountain hills, then idling for 8hrs (I was knocked out lol), I put it in gear when I woke up, and continued my drive! Only time truck turned off was at gas stations. Kept me toasty the whole way.
I have a set of Duratracs on my EXT, they are a tough tire. I plan to play in the sand with them, next month when i go to the beach!

I been looking to where i could mount the second battery, been thinking of getting rid of the ***** factory jack & putting it there... Cause if i run air lockers, extra lights & a winch, I want to make sure i got plenty of juice... I might even break down and get two of those yellow top Optima batteries...

Well depending on the weather... I let the miss drive when it is clear but the first sign of snow, i take over... normally by then it's the half way point... I hope Bronco's have a heck of a heater! but I'm gonna test it yet, as it almost 80ish outside it's only 4 O'clock in the morning...LOL :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

 
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just get a 10k pound winch haha then you can go anywhere
Isn't that the truth!... I got a 12K Warn winch right now that needs to be rebuilt. If i don't rebuild that one, i'll break down & get me another... can never have to many winches!

it's my intention to run bumpers on the truck, that will allow me to use the winch on the front or rear! That has always served me well in the past.

 
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I have a set of Duratracs on my EXT, they are a tough tire. I plan to play in the sand with them, next month when i go to the beach!

I been looking to where i could mount the second battery, been thinking of getting rid of the ***** factory jack & putting it there... Cause if i run air lockers, extra lights & a winch, I want to make sure i got plenty of juice... I might even break down and get two of those yellow top Optima batteries...

Well depending on the weather... I let the miss drive when it is clear but the first sign of snow, i take over... normally by then it's the half way point... I hope Bronco's have a heck of a heater! but I'm gonna test it yet, as it almost 80ish outside it's only 4 O'clock in the morning...LOL :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />
Yeah them Duratracs are next on my list. I have done a ton of research and a lot of FJ/Jeep guys love em. And considering the FJ and Jeeps are roughly the same as the Bronco..I saw it a good fit. I was giong to test em on my Titan, but eh I can find good deals all day on CL for new tires for a couple hundred bucks. And it rarly goes offroad :blush: So needless to say I'm still weary as my bridgestones served me very well all around..

The battery mount..honestly, I'd mount the 2nd one inside the truck. I know it's more of a pain, but think about it. The engine bay can get cold when driving around or sitting at night. I would insulate the main battery in the bay, and insulate the second battery in the bronco. I know it gets cold inside the truck, but after running with heater on at least the 2nd battery will be warmer than the bay battery.

Check out the thread I created a couple weeks ago about Optima Yellowtop batteries.. another member on here gave me advice, and I actually bought the Everstart Maxx from walmart for $77.. 1100ca/875cca which is some serious power crank wise.. with 165min reserve IIRC. Saved me about $150 vs the yellowtop...

An idea you may consider.. in regards to the battery inside the Bronco.. hit up your local home depot or lowes and get some 2x4 and plywood. Make a nice storage box in the cargo area of your bronco. Something to hold the battery, and other important stuff such as flares, snow chains, fuses, tools, tow strap, ect.. this way you can keep important stuff in the truck, in a nice small space for the truck. wrap it in carpet, or paint it. ***** some meteal finish or something. You can stack stuff on it, and sure you loose a little space, but I find this method to be easier than putting it in odd places. I actually have a military box that holds all my important stuff. Sometimes I put it on my cargo basket or in the truck itself. (my cargo basket and military box I got for $15)

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Sorry if I seem excessive.. I love camping and such, and sometimes go when it's snowing in the high country. Last thing I ever want is to be dead frozen inside my truck :blush: Anywho, keep us updated on what mods you do! I esp. wanna see the winch on the front/back of the Bronco.. I had that idea but still trying to toy around how to do such a setup with a stock look..

 
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Yeah them Duratracs are next on my list. I have done a ton of research and a lot of FJ/Jeep guys love em. And considering the FJ and Jeeps are roughly the same as the Bronco..I saw it a good fit. I was giong to test em on my Titan, but eh I can find good deals all day on CL for new tires for a couple hundred bucks. And it rarly goes offroad :blush: So needless to say I'm still weary as my bridgestones served me very well all around..

The battery mount..honestly, I'd mount the 2nd one inside the truck. I know it's more of a pain, but think about it. The engine bay can get cold when driving around or sitting at night. I would insulate the main battery in the bay, and insulate the second battery in the bronco. I know it gets cold inside the truck, but after running with heater on at least the 2nd battery will be warmer than the bay battery.

Check out the thread I created a couple weeks ago about Optima Yellowtop batteries.. another member on here gave me advice, and I actually bought the Everstart Maxx from walmart for $77.. 1100ca/875cca which is some serious power crank wise.. with 165min reserve IIRC. Saved me about $150 vs the yellowtop...

An idea you may consider.. in regards to the battery inside the Bronco.. hit up your local home depot or lowes and get some 2x4 and plywood. Make a nice storage box in the cargo area of your bronco. Something to hold the battery, and other important stuff such as flares, snow chains, fuses, tools, tow strap, ect.. this way you can keep important stuff in the truck, in a nice small space for the truck. wrap it in carpet, or paint it. ***** some meteal finish or something. You can stack stuff on it, and sure you loose a little space, but I find this method to be easier than putting it in odd places. I actually have a military box that holds all my important stuff. Sometimes I put it on my cargo basket or in the truck itself. (my cargo basket and military box I got for $15)

SDC11571.jpg

Sorry if I seem excessive.. I love camping and such, and sometimes go when it's snowing in the high country. Last thing I ever want is to be dead frozen inside my truck :blush: Anywho, keep us updated on what mods you do! I esp. wanna see the winch on the front/back of the Bronco.. I had that idea but still trying to toy around how to do such a setup with a stock look..
hey i know how it is... I been stuck in Blizzards before... It's not a good feeling

I think it really matters where my battery will be depending on where i mount the compressor for the Air Lockers (that is if i even run with them). I talk to one guy in Ohio, who says he has had issues during the winter useing ARBs & changed his whole rig to OX lockers... Then i know a guy in NY who swears by ARBs :blink: ... One of the dudes i know runs Elockers... So i dunno yet... I'm still stuck on what Limited-slip to run

I been thinking, since i plan to out right-replace the Tailgate & QTrs on the truck (Rust). I would remove the spare tire carrier and build a rear bumper, that the spare tire swings off the rear bumper... Then build off that rack or the other side of the bumper that can hold a full size floor jack and a tool box, instead of a Jerry can... I have done things like that in the past on other rigs, not sure if i will have the time to do it before the first run...

Far as the "remote wench" which is what i like to call it... We do that to all of our trail rigs, in one of the clubs I'm in. I'm sure i will be able to adapt to the bronco, it's actually pretty simple, hardest part is making it detachable, without it looking like it up in the front... I Won't run stock bumpers, I'll build my own, like i said hardest part in doing it is making look like it belongs on the front, cause that is where it will remain until needed in the rear. I've seen what is out on the market for these trucks bumper wise, i haven't come across one that is a must have, cause i want functionality...

Lets face it, bumpers on the truck can make your truck like a Pretty gal who is smiling or some old lady missing a few teeth...LOL even tho my truck won't be a prettyboy truck with a bunch of chrome... I expect it to turn some heads, while providing some functionality... I'll keep you updated.

 

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