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Maybe some of you have noticed. It seems like you have put alot of miles on your vehicle. I,m talking about any new or any back to say 1990. Well awhile back I filled my truck up and thought I,d keep track of the mpg. I wrote the mileage down .When I got home and shut it down. The NEXT morning when I started it up . I glanced at the mileage and said NO WAY. Supposedly it had traveled 95 miles PARKED OVER NIGHT. Since then I started keep track and writing it down and when parked and between known areas. I was about 15 miles from home at this gas station and thought I see how far it was from home. When I got home. I checked the mileage--IT REGISTERED OVER 1,4OO MILES. These speed-ometrs work off of electric now and in my opinion. Its big auto cheating people of repairs. Start writing the miles down and see for yourself. The way it works--your warraty would also run out sooner and big auto would not have to pay. This should be looked into.
 

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Yo Johnny,
In which year Bronco or Ford truck is is this happening?

TSB 89-02-07 Speedometer Accuracy
Publication Date: JANUARY 25, 1989

FORD: 1989 and prior ALL CAR LINES
LINCOLN-MERCURY: 1989 and prior ALL CAR LINES
LIGHT TRUCK: 1989 and prior ALL TRUCK LINES
MEDIUM/HEAVY TRUCK: 1989 and prior ALL MEDIUM/HEAVY TRUCK LINES

ISSUE: The accuracy of speedometer/odometer readings may be influenced by several vehicle components or systems. The information in this TSB article is intended to assist technicians in speedometer/odometer concern diagnosis.

ACTION: Use the following supplemental information to assist in speedometer/odometer diagnostics.

OPERATION: A mechanical analog speedometer displays vehicle speed and the odometer displays total distance traveled. The speedometer/odometer assembly is cable driven by either a transmission or a transaxle. All speedometer/odometer assemblies, except for police vehicles are the same with respect to the speed accuracy tolerance used during calibration. The odometer gear ratio is fixed so that all are identical and have no error in the speedometer head.

Electronic digital operation is similar. It could use a drive cable or a speed sensor to drive the speedometer/odometer. An electronic signal is sent from a speed sensor to the digital speedometer/odometer assembly. The speed sensor is driven by a transmission or a transaxle, similar to a cable.

Several areas of concern that may affect speedometer/odometer readings are tires, axle gear ratio and speedometer/odometer drive and driven gears.

TIRES: Improper tire rolling radius and inflation pressure, temperature and size may contribute to inaccurate system readings. System accuracy testing should be performed after the tires are set at the correct pressure as shown on the safety compliance certification label. The tire should be warmed for a short period. Best results are obtained on smooth, dry pavement while driving at a constant speed within the posted speed limit.

AXLE/TRANSAXLE RATIO: The gear ratio of the rear axle or the final drive ratio of the transaxle must be known to select or check if the proper speedometer/odometer drive and driven gears are present. Various gear ratios are available, but usually are not a concern when dealing with speedometer/odometer concerns unless the gear ratio has been changed.
WARNING: NEVER CORRECT SPEEDOMETER READINGS BY CHANGING GEARS UNLESS THE ODOMETER IS ALSO OFF.

DRIVE/DRIVEN GEARS: The speedometer/odometer drive gear is located inside the transmission, transaxle or transfer case and is not easily accessed for change. The driven gear rotates the speedometer cable. Rear wheel drive vehicles have several driven gears with various numbers of teeth available to correct input to the speedometer/odometer head. Front wheel drive vehicles generally do not offer different gears for correction.

GENERAL DESCRIPTION: The maximum allowable odometer system accuracy error is � 3.75% of the actual distance traveled. Ford Motor vehicles are well within those limits.

The speed indication is biased high, except on police vehicles with certified calibration speedometers/odometers. As a general rule, the indicated speed is equal to or greater than the actual speed. This is intended to protect the consumer against violating speed laws. Most customer concerns are related to speedometers reading too high at true speeds between 50 MPH and 65 MPH (80 - 105 Km/h). At that speed range, the worst case errors may indicate a speed that is 10% greater than true speed.

The speedometer head is an instrument which processes information sent to it by the rotating speedometer cable. If the system components send the wrong number of revolution per mile to the speedometer head, an inaccurate speed reading and amount of distanced traveled will be displayed. Since there is no error in the fixed gear ratio of the speedometer head odometer, start by checking the accuracy of the odometer even if the customer concern indicates a speed accuracy problem. Odometer accuracy can be checked by using roads established at mile increments or a known local course. If roads with mile markers are used, a five mile stretch is recommended to allow for inaccuracies. If an error is greater than 3.75%, a change to the transmission drive/driven gear selection, tire size, or tire inflation may need attention. The odometer should be checked again to verify any corrective action. If the indicated speed error exceeds 10% between 50 MPH and 60 MPH (80 - 105 Km/h), replace the speedometer/odometer assembly. Vehicles with transfer cases that have fluctuating readings may be due to slippage of drive gears, parts not splined or loose yoke nuts.

If the vehicle has speed control, the speed accuracy can be checked using the verified odometer vs. time. The formula is as follows:
3600 divded by TIME (seconds to cover one mile) = TRUE MPH(Km/h)

EXAMPLES:
60 MPH (96 Km/h) requires 60 seconds to cover one mile
55 MPH (88 Km/h) requires 65 and 3/4 seconds to cover one mile
50 MPH (80 Km/h) requires 72 seconds to cover one mile

SUPERSEDES: 84-14-06
WARRANTY STATUS: INFORMATION ONLY
 

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Could be the VSS sensor ... but then it would run like crap.

Kind of like the PIP sensor on the distributor where the ecm gets the rpm information. When the PIP sensor starts sending junk to the the ecm ..... the Bronco will stumble

If the ecm was getting bad data from VSS you would think it would cause issue with tranny shifting in the E4OD?
 
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Yo Johnny,
In which year Bronco or Ford truck is is this happening?

TSB 89-02-07 Speedometer Accuracy
Publication Date: JANUARY 25, 1989

FORD: 1989 and prior ALL CAR LINES
LINCOLN-MERCURY: 1989 and prior ALL CAR LINES
LIGHT TRUCK: 1989 and prior ALL TRUCK LINES
MEDIUM/HEAVY TRUCK: 1989 and prior ALL MEDIUM/HEAVY TRUCK LINES

ISSUE: The accuracy of speedometer/odometer readings may be influenced by several vehicle components or systems. The information in this TSB article is intended to assist technicians in speedometer/odometer concern diagnosis.

ACTION: Use the following supplemental information to assist in speedometer/odometer diagnostics.

OPERATION: A mechanical analog speedometer displays vehicle speed and the odometer displays total distance traveled. The speedometer/odometer assembly is cable driven by either a transmission or a transaxle. All speedometer/odometer assemblies, except for police vehicles are the same with respect to the speed accuracy tolerance used during calibration. The odometer gear ratio is fixed so that all are identical and have no error in the speedometer head.

Electronic digital operation is similar. It could use a drive cable or a speed sensor to drive the speedometer/odometer. An electronic signal is sent from a speed sensor to the digital speedometer/odometer assembly. The speed sensor is driven by a transmission or a transaxle, similar to a cable.

Several areas of concern that may affect speedometer/odometer readings are tires, axle gear ratio and speedometer/odometer drive and driven gears.

TIRES: Improper tire rolling radius and inflation pressure, temperature and size may contribute to inaccurate system readings. System accuracy testing should be performed after the tires are set at the correct pressure as shown on the safety compliance certification label. The tire should be warmed for a short period. Best results are obtained on smooth, dry pavement while driving at a constant speed within the posted speed limit.

AXLE/TRANSAXLE RATIO: The gear ratio of the rear axle or the final drive ratio of the transaxle must be known to select or check if the proper speedometer/odometer drive and driven gears are present. Various gear ratios are available, but usually are not a concern when dealing with speedometer/odometer concerns unless the gear ratio has been changed.
WARNING: NEVER CORRECT SPEEDOMETER READINGS BY CHANGING GEARS UNLESS THE ODOMETER IS ALSO OFF.

DRIVE/DRIVEN GEARS: The speedometer/odometer drive gear is located inside the transmission, transaxle or transfer case and is not easily accessed for change. The driven gear rotates the speedometer cable. Rear wheel drive vehicles have several driven gears with various numbers of teeth available to correct input to the speedometer/odometer head. Front wheel drive vehicles generally do not offer different gears for correction.

GENERAL DESCRIPTION: The maximum allowable odometer system accuracy error is � 3.75% of the actual distance traveled. Ford Motor vehicles are well within those limits.

The speed indication is biased high, except on police vehicles with certified calibration speedometers/odometers. As a general rule, the indicated speed is equal to or greater than the actual speed. This is intended to protect the consumer against violating speed laws. Most customer concerns are related to speedometers reading too high at true speeds between 50 MPH and 65 MPH (80 - 105 Km/h). At that speed range, the worst case errors may indicate a speed that is 10% greater than true speed.

The speedometer head is an instrument which processes information sent to it by the rotating speedometer cable. If the system components send the wrong number of revolution per mile to the speedometer head, an inaccurate speed reading and amount of distanced traveled will be displayed. Since there is no error in the fixed gear ratio of the speedometer head odometer, start by checking the accuracy of the odometer even if the customer concern indicates a speed accuracy problem. Odometer accuracy can be checked by using roads established at mile increments or a known local course. If roads with mile markers are used, a five mile stretch is recommended to allow for inaccuracies. If an error is greater than 3.75%, a change to the transmission drive/driven gear selection, tire size, or tire inflation may need attention. The odometer should be checked again to verify any corrective action. If the indicated speed error exceeds 10% between 50 MPH and 60 MPH (80 - 105 Km/h), replace the speedometer/odometer assembly. Vehicles with transfer cases that have fluctuating readings may be due to slippage of drive gears, parts not splined or loose yoke nuts.

If the vehicle has speed control, the speed accuracy can be checked using the verified odometer vs. time. The formula is as follows:
3600 divded by TIME (seconds to cover one mile) = TRUE MPH(Km/h)

EXAMPLES:
60 MPH (96 Km/h) requires 60 seconds to cover one mile
55 MPH (88 Km/h) requires 65 and 3/4 seconds to cover one mile
50 MPH (80 Km/h) requires 72 seconds to cover one mile

SUPERSEDES: 84-14-06
WARRANTY STATUS: INFORMATION ONLY
I was talking about any of these late or newer vehicles. I have abou7 fords,but the one with the electonic speed=ometer is on my Doge. So if your Ford does have a electronic speed=ometer--start writing the mileage --of AREAS YOU KNOW HOW FAR IT IS and WHEN YOU PARK IT FOR THE NIGHT. I hear alot of people brag about they have 200 or 300,000 and it doesn,t use oil. Also notice it when you back up. They also register it. Where on the older vehicles with the cable driven system it didn,t. This new system would be real money saving for a big auto company and the customer would be getting ripped off. Even if you own a Ford---it would be wise to start checking it.
 

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'...its the maintenence no matter what U drive..."
LOL
Only 1 vehicle I drive for MPGs, the Kowie KZ750B...
All 4 vehicles have different purposes & mileage is not any...
a loosing issue, make the besta what U got. Thoroughly consider application BEFORE PURCHASE.
(and oneza boat, mostly sail powered !)
 

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I was talking about any of these late or newer vehicles. I have abou7 fords,but the one with the electonic speed=ometer is on my Doge. So if your Ford does have a electronic speed=ometer--start writing the mileage --of AREAS YOU KNOW HOW FAR IT IS and WHEN YOU PARK IT FOR THE NIGHT. I hear alot of people brag about they have 200 or 300,000 and it doesn,t use oil. Also notice it when you back up. They also register it. Where on the older vehicles with the cable driven system it didn,t. This new system would be real money saving for a big auto company and the customer would be getting ripped off. Even if you own a Ford---it would be wise to start checking it.

I would like to move this thread into the correct category. Which forum category would this belong to?
 

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