HORSEPOWER

[bronco-Bo]

okay so people think this swap is irrational, and makes no sense. Im no mechanic but i do know this, myy year is only 200 horsepower at the flywheel not even the 210 hp, and that sucks. Efi is better i agree, but unfortunately i have found no way to get real power outta these engines due to the computer failing to respond to the modifications. MY intentions are to lift my truck about 9 inches. and with all the extra gear on the truck and much larger tires this truck doesnt make enough power, and power is what i want thats all i WANT! so i need more horse but my truck is an xlt it doesnt have the manual options and i dont wanna gut my truck and convert those things to So does anyone know how to completely convert to carb and run appropriatley without jerry riggin crap? I was told to get a carb intake ofcourse a later model distributor, fuel pressure regulater and a throttle posistion sensor for my trans, but that seemd way to simple and i have found no other exact info ..PLEASE HELP BRONCO AND FORD FRIENDS! im desperate! someone did suggest getting a engine rebuilt and then having my chip reburned to match it then having my computer remapped but ive founded no one to burn chips for a bronco lol. All accurate help is greatly appreciated and no smart remarks not needed cause i gave the reason for my for you guys who hate this idea

 

[Skitter302]

Welcome to the Zone!

Your reason for wanting to get rid of the EFI for tuning ability makes sense but it would make more sense to go down to the performance shop and get your chip tuned. It would be cleaner and better built.

Best of luck! >-

 

[Seabronc]

Welcome to the Zone! You won't get any smart remarks here. After all it is your truck and you can do whatever you want to it. That being said, if you really want POWER and an engine that will have a chance of surviving the trip, I'd start with re-manufactured engine and do a performance build. Simply converting it to a carbed engine is not going to give you what you want.

From reading your post, I assume that is not within your current skill level. So if REAL POWER is what you want, I'd take it to a performance shop and have them do it or spend some time in the books. Also you might consider a larger engine such as a 460.

There is much more to consider than just changing from an EFI to a Carbed engine to end up with a performance engine. You will also need to consider beefing up the drive train so it doesn't blow itself apart due to the fact it is designed for the existing engine power output. All of the design considerations are too numerous to handle in a forum post. If you want to learn more about what is needed and how to build a performance engine, I would suggest you start at a local book store and pick up some books on the subject. They are not too expensive and you will benefit in the long run. You can do part of the work and hire a machine shop to do what you don't have the tools and equipment for.

Good luck in your adventure and enjoy the trip.

 

[bronco-Bo]

thanks guys. (supreme commander) i realize what your saying! thing is i cant tune up my engine as it sit almost anything i do internally to get real horses out of it the computer wont read it so that leaves me in a bad dilema plus the tranny wont work either. so i want to switxh it to carbs which is easy, but how do i make my electronic 4x4 , power windows, electronic tranny and etc continue to work! there has to be a way to do this, like i said i could build my 352 bore stroke balance and w/e else i wanna do and then burn a new chip and remap the computer but i cant find anyone to burn a chip and remap a bronco, so then i try to swap it to carbs but my truck is full of electronics so how can i keep my electronics working properly with a carb conversion, the point of goin to carbs is because i can then rebuild my engine however i want to and i cant do that with efi! btw i didnt mention im trying to get 400 + hp. this is a serious inquire i just gotta find the way! thanks for help guys

 

[bronco-Bo]

i meant 351, sorry. but i just want my electronic stuffy, transer case , tranny , windows, to work while runnig on carbs. so how can i get all that to work right?

 

[LumbermanSVO]

The electric shifted T-Case should still work just fine, the windows WILL work fine as they have nothing to do with the EFI.

There is a company that makes a stand alone computer for the E4OD but I don't remember who, check out the IDI section of oilburners.net

You could contact Stinger Performance and get a stand alone ECU that replaces your current ECU and be able to tune it on your laptop. This fixes the tuning problems you have without all the labor of switching to carbs, or the expense of gathering all the right parts. The 2.3 turbo Mustang crown has been using these ECU's for awhile now and LOVE them.

 

[bronco-Bo]

okay so people think this swap is irrational, and makes no sense. Im no mechanic but i do know this, myy year is only 200 horsepower at the flywheel not even the 210 hp, and that sucks. Efi is better i agree, but unfortunately i have found no way to get real power outta these engines due to the computer failing to respond to the modifications. MY intentions are to lift my truck about 9 inches. and with all the extra gear on the truck and much larger tires this truck doesnt make enough power, and power is what i want thats all i WANT! so i need more horse but my truck is an xlt it doesnt have the manual options and i dont wanna gut my truck and convert those things to So does anyone know how to completely convert to carb and run appropriatley without jerry riggin crap? I was told to get a carb intake ofcourse a later model distributor, fuel pressure regulater and a throttle posistion sensor for my trans, but that seemd way to simple and i have found no other exact info ..PLEASE HELP BRONCO AND FORD FRIENDS! im desperate! someone did suggest getting a engine rebuilt and then having my chip reburned to match it then having my computer remapped but ive founded no one to burn chips for a bronco lol. All accurate help is greatly appreciated and no smart remarks not needed cause i gave the reason for my for you guys who hate this idea

 

[Seabronc]

okay so people think this swap is irrational, and makes no sense. Im no mechanic but i do know this, myy year is only 200 horsepower at the flywheel not even the 210 hp, and that sucks. Efi is better i agree, but unfortunately i have found no way to get real power outta these engines due to the computer failing to respond to the modifications. MY intentions are to lift my truck about 9 inches. and with all the extra gear on the truck and much larger tires this truck doesnt make enough power, and power is what i want thats all i WANT! so i need more horse but my truck is an xlt it doesnt have the manual options and i dont wanna gut my truck and convert those things to So does anyone know how to completely convert to carb and run appropriatley without jerry riggin crap? I was told to get a carb intake ofcourse a later model distributor, fuel pressure regulater and a throttle posistion sensor for my trans, but that seemd way to simple and i have found no other exact info ..PLEASE HELP BRONCO AND FORD FRIENDS! im desperate! someone did suggest getting a engine rebuilt and then having my chip reburned to match it then having my computer remapped but ive founded no one to burn chips for a bronco lol. All accurate help is greatly appreciated and no smart remarks not needed cause i gave the reason for my for you guys who hate this idea

This is the same tropic you posted a couple of months ago. I have merged the two.

 

[wileec]

I may have missed it but what year is your bronco? And changing to carb then doing all the other upgrades. It would seem that a new larger engine with EFI would be less trouble.

 

[D Davis]

silly question, have you thought about changing the differential gearing, to offset the much larger tires? I'm no expert on tuning but bronco-F150 should all be the same as far as chip burning/reflashing also what area of the country are you in? may help members figure if we know of any shops/tuners within a reasonable distance

oh, also what are your HP goals? something that others may be able to help point in the right direction, because I've spent thousands in needless mods over the years, better to learn from others mistakes /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

 

[miesk5]

yo bb,

What year?

If you decide to keep EFI;

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Chip;

TwEECer® Installation

Source: by Ryan M (Fireguy50) at http://fordfuelinjection.com/index.php?p=77

Aftermarket EFI Computers

By Trent Kendall

http://oldfuelinjection.com/?p=65

Opinions by Other Bronco Owners at Ford Bronco http://broncozone.com/topic/20220-chips/

This what I added to this thread;

Some comments on Chips by 2 people who know more about the Ford EEC system than anyone I have ever met or worked with;

by Sig; "...They're garbage unless they're done with YOUR vehicle on a dynamometer and an experienced tuner. The plug & go style don't do anything you can't do yourself for next to nothing. The only after-market tuning devices worth considering are the Quarter Horse and the twEECER, but only after SIGNIFICANT modifications have been made, and to the point that the factory programming can't keep up.

don't even bother with the PCM's programming until you've reached the point that it's absolutely necessary to do it. That level of modification won't be seen until the heads, intake, exhaust, and cam are changed..."

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by Ryan M; "...Ford programming has been better than any other manufacturer for years. this is why GM aftermarket computer tuning is more popular. ford computers can do more in the stock form. And you engine is no where near exceding the stock computer at this time.

MOST IMPORTANT IS COST

There are several ways to get a different engine and program. But the best way will require a new mustang computer, MAF sensor, wiring harness, and a chip tuner.

omputer: $100 - $300

MAF sensor: $100 - $200

Wiring: free junkyarding - $700

Chip: $400 - $750

Cheapest way to do it would be eBay hunting and you're still looking at $500+ for everything you'd need.

So from a dollar stand point your ...truck engine does not have enough perfromance potential to justfy the cost.

Honestly I can't really justify my own computers cost. I have spent just over a grand on MAF computer hardware.

This is one of my web sites that talks about EFI perfromance add on's. Not all of my pages are working because Taco, Pepe, and me are trying to upgrade my sorry a$$ excuse for a web site

http://fordfuelinjec...erformance.html

There are some BS chips out there.

Any "chip" that plugs inbetween the harness and computer is nothing but trouble.

Any "chip" that hate's the word chip and wants to be called a "programable module" is probable the real deal. I don't have a "chip," I have an AutoLogic module. It plugs into the back of the computer on the J3 port

When a Module plugs into the J3 port, It substituts values within the stock Ford program.

can anybody guess what comes next ???

Ford's EFI programmign is so good, we keep it, we simply tell it the truth. Chips between the harness and computer lie to the computer. Lieing is bad, computer will do the wrong stuff and you won't be happy. Plug into the J3 and tell the computer the truthfull values, like injector size, engine displacement, ect and both computer and driver will be HAPPY

..."

Hypertech Power Module Review in a 94

Source: by Stephen R at again.net via web.archive.org

"...The next modification to the Bronco was going to be ignition work. Although the Ford ignition system worked just fine, I had read several reports about new "computer modules", so I read some specification sheets, and ordered the Hypertech Power Module, the Hypertech Power-Stat, and the Hypertech Modified Octane Bar for the distributor. I'm really not too sure this was such a great idea. I noticed no improvement in power, speed, acceleration or anything... except for the gas pump. No I didn't get more MPG, I had to switch from 87-octane gasoline to 91-octane. (The Bronco doesn't run worth a damn when I use 87-octane!) As for the Power-Stat, ****, it's just a plain old thermostat that opens about 40-degrees sooner than the factory job. What it does is make the Bronco run richer and cooler, fooling the Ford computer. WHOOP-EE!!

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EFI Performance Upgrades

http://oldfuelinjection.com/?p=9

By Ryan M (Fireguy50)

includes;

Ford Computer Performance Upgrades

How 2 Install a Chip in a Ford computer

Aftermarket EFI Computers

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EFI Swap to Carburetor

Source: by members at Ford Bronco Zone Forums http://broncozone.com/topic/12302-efi-to-carb/

EFI Swap to Carburetor

Source: by BLADE262US, Seabronc & Justshootme84 at Ford Bronco Zone Forums

http://broncozone.com/topic/21208-efi-to-carbhelp/page__gopid__111080&

Consider Ford Fuel Injection and Electronic Engine Control: How to Understand, Service and Modify, 1988-1993; & Ford Fuel Injection and Electronic Engine Control: How to Understand, Service, and Modify All Ford-Lincoln-Mercury Cars and Light Trucks, 1980 to 1987 by Charles Probst

avail @ BARNES & NOBLE, AMAZON, E BAY, ETC.

see Part 9 Tuning for Performance