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Well, this is a different oil pressure question. I was running 20w50 conventional oil for my break in on me 351W. I just rolled over 3000 miles on it and decided to run 10w30 Castrol Synthetic Blend. Since I've rebuilt the motor my oil PSI has been threw the roof. I have an OEM oil pump that I had bought when I did the rebuild. Is this anything I should be concerned about? I know as long as you have oil pressure you're good but it's taking my passenger valve cover gasket for me and I don't like replacing that one. Should I go with a "high preformance" gasket or what? Thanks for the help on that. My other question is, on my 94 I should have "intermediat" wipers right? I have two speeds, fast and holy $#!t! Also, when I turn them on and the turn them off (for a quick wipe) they'll stop anywhere and not go back to the down position. Anyone know how to fix this? Thanks all!

 

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Well, this is a different oil pressure question. I was running 20w50 conventional oil for my break in on me 351W. I just rolled over 3000 miles on it and decided to run 10w30 Castrol Synthetic Blend. Since I've rebuilt the motor my oil PSI has been threw the roof. I have an OEM oil pump that I had bought when I did the rebuild. Is this anything I should be concerned about? I know as long as you have oil pressure you're good but it's taking my passenger valve cover gasket for me and I don't like replacing that one. Should I go with a "high preformance" gasket or what? Thanks for the help on that. My other question is, on my 94 I should have "intermediat" wipers right? I have two speeds, fast and holy $#!t! Also, when I turn them on and the turn them off (for a quick wipe) they'll stop anywhere and not go back to the down position. Anyone know how to fix this? Thanks all!
I'd expect the the pressure to run high on a new engine running 20/50. I've broken in all my engines with straight weight 30. I DO use 20/50 but I use it to bring the pressure up in my old worn engines when the pressure starts running low due to wear. Which way did the pressure go when you changed from 20/50 to 10/30 ? Is there a chance you installed a Hi-volume pump accidently ? You might could try changing the pump or even just the gearset inside of it (standard & hi-volume pumps use the same housing but the gears in the hi-volume are a bit larger with less space between the teeth when they mesh making for the higher pressure)

You *should* be able to turn the wiper **** counter-clockwise for intermittent. If they're not acting right replace the switch, shouldn't be too hard to find one in a junkyard just make sure you grab one that also spins counter-clockwise and that should give you what you want.

 
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I got the oil pump from AutoZone and it was supposed to be OEM and not high pressure. I've always been a fan of heavy weight oil for some reason but I can't find 20w50 in synthetic but that's okay. It stayed sky high when I changed the oil. If I ran thick oil I should've ran higher pressure right? Maybe the heavy stuff is just still in there. Well, it's not bad I guess since it's only taking a valve cover gasket. I think I'll just deal with it being high. Good to have high pressure than no pressure huh? Cool beans anyways!

 

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I got the oil pump from AutoZone and it was supposed to be OEM and not high pressure. I've always been a fan of heavy weight oil for some reason but I can't find 20w50 in synthetic but that's okay. It stayed sky high when I changed the oil. If I ran thick oil I should've ran higher pressure right? Maybe the heavy stuff is just still in there. Well, it's not bad I guess since it's only taking a valve cover gasket. I think I'll just deal with it being high. Good to have high pressure than no pressure huh? Cool beans anyways!
Ahh, well I guess yeah but too much of a good thing isn't always so good (ever tried Tequila ?). Too much oil pressure will play havoc with your lifters and eventually you'll blow more than just a valve cover gasket (front & rear main seals aren't quite as easy to change). Just out of curiousity, just how high is "high" ? I've read enuf of your posts to assume you're not just running the dummy gauge, have you got a number ?

Yes, the thicker oil should have given you more pressure than the thinner but I guess if the gauge is pegged then it's kinda academic (Please tell me the gauge isn't pegged, I REALLY don't want to read about you needing *another* engine)

The heavy weight oil is good but once again, I refer you to the whole Tequila thing. I notice that you're in Va and if memory serves it can get a little chilly there around this time of year. If you'll indulge me for another story I can tell you I smoked a $5K 460 this way. Made the mistake of driving it up to Caribou, Maine for a job and if anyone here even KNOWS where that place is you know it gets cold (nothing there but the paper mills & a SAC base). I spend several weeks there and to give you an idea, the parking lot of the hotel had more skimobiles in it than trucks. Granted Caribou gets colder than most places in Va but I was running 20/50 and I remember coming out on a few occasions and firing it up and watching for 2, maybe 3 minutes waiting for the oil pressure to come up from 0. Eventually it did but by the time I got the truck home a month later it had a death rap. I should have changed to a 30wt oil & didn't, I should have put in a block heater & didn't and every dollar I made on the freaking job went into ANOTHER $5K in parts and machine work. The only bright spot was that I didn't fatally damage the block. I'd only bored it .030 the first time so I was able to go .040 and clean up the scuffs but it was a VERY expensive lesson. I could have avoided the whole cluster-f*ck by switching to a lighter oil but ****, I was 23. If I'd already put a few engines into my truck and didn't want to do it again right soon I'd probably run a nice synthetic 30wt oil anyplace where they throw salt on the roads, but hey that's just me.

 
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Well, I do have an actual guage, the catch to that is *get ready for this* it's still sitting in the "to do" drawer at my house. I've been dealing with my friends 85 Ramcharger and him with no money makes for LONG work days cleaning things and making sure everything is perfect. I was going to install it this last weekend but they had a 50% off sale at the salvage yard and the lincoln town car seats look nice in my wifes crown vic (and they're cumfy too!). I've also noticed that I'm leaking oil around my pan gasket (I think I'm done with anything cork unless it's at the top of a bottle). It actually chilled out for the weekend though, sitting closer to the center of "normal" on my *cough stock guage cough* but it's again sitting right on the high side of the normal line. It doesn't seem to run any different other than my gaskets going. I'll be pulling off my intake to clean it (it got dirty during the rebuild and I needed the Bronco to do some stuff and move and went back on dirty). While that's off I'll be pulling my valve covers and putting in the rubber gaskets and since I'll have the clearance i'll pull my motor mounts and lift the engine enough to change the oil pan gasket to a one piece and check everything on the south side too. Heck, since I'll be that deep I may just replace the oil pump again too. If I do that will I need to prime it again? (Please so I don't, I hate pulling the dizzy) ****, since I'm in it I can throw in the wet guage for the oil PSI and a block water temp guage. Oh, you seem like a fella that can weld so I have a question for you, will a little gasless 100 amp welder do fine welding exhaust? I have a leak (2 and a 1/4 to 2 and a 1/2) don't mix well so I figured a little welding will fix that. I just havent done that since high school but it seems better to re-learn on something no one else sees rather than welding on my door or something! Thanks man!

 

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Well, I do have an actual guage, the catch to that is *get ready for this* it's still sitting in the "to do" drawer at my house. I've been dealing with my friends 85 Ramcharger and him with no money makes for LONG work days cleaning things and making sure everything is perfect. I was going to install it this last weekend but they had a 50% off sale at the salvage yard and the lincoln town car seats look nice in my wifes crown vic (and they're cumfy too!). I've also noticed that I'm leaking oil around my pan gasket (I think I'm done with anything cork unless it's at the top of a bottle). It actually chilled out for the weekend though, sitting closer to the center of "normal" on my *cough stock guage cough* but it's again sitting right on the high side of the normal line. It doesn't seem to run any different other than my gaskets going. I'll be pulling off my intake to clean it (it got dirty during the rebuild and I needed the Bronco to do some stuff and move and went back on dirty). While that's off I'll be pulling my valve covers and putting in the rubber gaskets and since I'll have the clearance i'll pull my motor mounts and lift the engine enough to change the oil pan gasket to a one piece and check everything on the south side too. Heck, since I'll be that deep I may just replace the oil pump again too. If I do that will I need to prime it again? (Please so I don't, I hate pulling the dizzy) ****, since I'm in it I can throw in the wet guage for the oil PSI and a block water temp guage. Oh, you seem like a fella that can weld so I have a question for you, will a little gasless 100 amp welder do fine welding exhaust? I have a leak (2 and a 1/4 to 2 and a 1/2) don't mix well so I figured a little welding will fix that. I just havent done that since high school but it seems better to re-learn on something no one else sees rather than welding on my door or something! Thanks man!
Well, ok. Here's the deal. Contrary to what you may have been told, keeping the oil gauge in it's original unopened packaging *does not* do anything to increase it's value. Maybe if it were an original GI Joe with the Kung-Fu grip you'd have something but when it comes to your oil gauge, no, not really. Take the freaking thing out of the box and plumb it in for goodness sake. Yes, yes, yes, I understand (3 kids worth of understanding) that the wife's butt is an important thing to all of us, but really, find the time.

As far as the oil pump goes, yeah, you're kinda stuck with priming it. Or at least that's what *I'd* recommend, but hey you seem to LIKE changing engines so who am I to say ? You could always pack it with some light grease, fill the top with oil, work quickly & hope for the best (really, I've seen this done and he had pressure within probably 40 seconds or so). But on the other hand if you don't disturb anything the Diz should drop right back in, especially if you use a sharpie marker to mark the body & rotor locations (since the rotor turns when you extract it I like to mark where it *starts* and where it *finishes* as I SLOWLY pull it & when I reinstall I use the finish location as my start and...**** you know what I mean). Also, after building (and burning) a few engines I got into the habit of dissecting old Dizzy's for the shaft and tossed them into my box to use as priming tools in the future (just a piece of mindless trivia)

Welding ? I've had my fill of it. I have a several hundred hours of it but you've gotta understand that 90% of my welding exp was underwater on structural steel. I had a reputation as a gorilla welder, I just laid down big ole' gorilla welds on everything. Tack weld, what's a tack weld ? Guys *hated* taking apart anything I'd tacked together. That buzzbox of yours has it's uses and can certainly be handy building a truck but thinwall exhaust isn't going to be it's strong point. For something like that I'd prefer a TIG or atthe *very* least a MIG. What you have is essentially a wire-feed stick welder and chances are you'll cut more tubing with it then you'll weld. Having said that, you work with the tools you have. I'd grab myself a couple feet of exhaust tubing & a sawzall and start practicing. Spend some time playing with your settings and seeing what works. Shouldn't take you more than a spool or two :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" /> Really though, it should maybe take you an afternoon to figure out your settings & speed. when you feel like you've gotten everyting right take a shot at it, don't go to sleep & try in the morning <grin> do it while you've still got the feel of it.

 

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I dont feel so bad anymore. I am one step ahead of you on installing my guages (I painted the pod and ran the wiring and lights and stuff but have yet to install the senders) Hey its only been a month or two at most. As for the priming thing, I agree that the best thing is to pull the dreaded "D" and I too have a couple of extra shafts that I have made into primers as well but if you are willing to try, you could disconnect any spark to your ride and crank until primed. I know this sounds crazy but I have seen this work as well within 60 seconds you have pressure (if you have a number guage). I too have a story about cold weather and heavy oil if you are interested (and if youre not, dont read past here). I once went camping in the Sierras at about 7,000 ft in January in my F150 with a 302 running 40wt oil by myself. The first morning I went to start the truck and the pressure of having 40wt at 4 degrees was too much for that teeny tiney roll pin that holds the cam gear on the distributor drive and sheared it right off. Oh yeah, did I tell you I had a high volume pump in the motor? So I had to hike to town (6+ miles in the snow) and found the NAPA store/convenience store/ACE hardware/tackle shop/camping store (all of about the size of my garage) and got a new roll pin and the guy who owned the shop closed the store down gave me a ride back to where my truck was. I put in the new pin, dropped the distributor and by then it was just below freezing and cranked her over. It held and I took that as a sign to go home a day early. I learned a couple of things on this trip. 1) carry a spare roll pin or three. 2) dont run heavy oil during winter (I didnt know what winter was, then I lived at the beach in California, winter was a chilly 68 degrees. 3) notice where the parts stores are when driving through town going camping, you may need them. Sorry did I get off on a tangent???

Good luck with the oil pressure, my guess is a faulty sender and cork gaskets. My $.02.

 

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I So I had to hike to town (6+ miles in the snow)
Sorry did I get off on a tangent???
Now that was uphill both ways right ?

Aw ****, if WE don't tell these stories then nobody else will and you wind up with a whole generation of clueless kids running around saying "Noss" and $hit like that. It's freaking anarchy

 
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Well, I was planning on all of this today however, it's turkey day and my auto friend has duty on the ship today so it'll be tomorrow. Not to mention my stuff should be in from summitracing first thing in the morning. As my friend is lifting my engine a little and puting on my new pan gasket (he owes me BIG TIME so he gets the hard stuff this time!) I'll be putting fittings on and runing my wet guage and also another temp guage. I was told that a water temp guage in the side of the block is where you get the "true" temp of the motor? Anyone?? I'll be at home depot today (black friday stuff scares me!) and getting the stuff to make a "custom" pod for my two lovely guages to rest under my cowl hood. I told you it was functional, it'll keep oil lines outside of my cab! Well, any information on the temp would be great! HAPPY GOBBLE GOBBLE EVERYONE!

 

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Luckily it was uphill and downhill and I was EXTREMELY happy to get the ride back.... Happy Turkey Day Everyone...

 

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Well, I was planning on all of this today however, it's turkey day and my auto friend has duty on the ship today so it'll be tomorrow. Not to mention my stuff should be in from summitracing first thing in the morning. As my friend is lifting my engine a little and puting on my new pan gasket (he owes me BIG TIME so he gets the hard stuff this time!) I'll be putting fittings on and runing my wet guage and also another temp guage. I was told that a water temp guage in the side of the block is where you get the "true" temp of the motor? Anyone?? I'll be at home depot today (black friday stuff scares me!) and getting the stuff to make a "custom" pod for my two lovely guages to rest under my cowl hood. I told you it was functional, it'll keep oil lines outside of my cab! Well, any information on the temp would be great! HAPPY GOBBLE GOBBLE EVERYONE!
Aw **** you'll probably have it done by the time you sit down & read this. I dunno about *true* engine temps, seems to me that if the coolant is circulating as it should then you ought to get a true reading just about anywhere you tap in. Personally I always used the port on the top/rear of the block behind the intake right where that funny little **** in the gasket is. Now you *can* get variations in the gauge pressure for the oil depending on where you plumb the line but even then the differences aren't huge. I always made it a habit to plumb my fitting in right above the fuel pump. I figured that particular oil passage was right there at the top of the oil pump and whatever I read there would essentially be whatever the pump was producing as opposed to tapping in up top downstream of the lifters. It can be usefull to do both and I have. I usually run the port above the fuel pump to the in-cab gauge and then mount a second gauge to the firewall and plumb that one on the top end to be able to see the difference if/when I need to diagnose something (accidently installed some extra-long pushrods once and plumbed it that way to figure out what was going on and found it usefull enough to keep doing it)

I really don't mind having the oil pressure gauge in the cab, it's those damn fuel pressure gauges that scare me :)

Those gauges will fit real nice under the back half of an L88 scoop (folks can argue about whether it's a truck or not but it sure ran like a scalded dog with a 429)

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Good news and bad news. I got my stuff from summit today but it was around the 1800 time frame and I fogot it was my auto budys aniverary today so my truck sat :( /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" /> I did get the new"er" town car seats in the wifes crown vic (talk about cumfy! I hope someone gets this between now and when I wake up and give me the fitting size of the oil sending unit so I can make use of a T connector there to run my ever so great stock oil psi and my wet guage. I forgot to mention that you broke my heart when you told me that it wasn't going to gain in monetary value! Anyway, it's another "tomorrow" thing but that's okay since today was like 45* and tomorrow is supposed to be like mid 60's or somethig. Cool beans, hope I can get that measurement for the fittings... Thanks all!

 

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Good news and bad news. I got my stuff from summit today but it was around the 1800 time frame and I fogot it was my auto budys aniverary today so my truck sat :( /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" /> I did get the new"er" town car seats in the wifes crown vic (talk about cumfy! I hope someone gets this between now and when I wake up and give me the fitting size of the oil sending unit so I can make use of a T connector there to run my ever so great stock oil psi and my wet guage. I forgot to mention that you broke my heart when you told me that it wasn't going to gain in monetary value! Anyway, it's another "tomorrow" thing but that's okay since today was like 45* and tomorrow is supposed to be like mid 60's or somethig. Cool beans, hope I can get that measurement for the fittings... Thanks all!
Aw ****, you would ask. I'm for sure the thread is NPT and I'm guessing it's 1/4". THAT's why you keep an handfull in that top middle drawer of the roll-away, you know, that little one that nothing *else* fits in ? Okay, okay, enough about the seats. Mine reads this forum too and now she's complaining about HER **** (as if I don't pay it enough attention *already*), please Bidi, you're killing me. Just plumb the damn gauge & be done with it.

45* huh ? My heart bleeds for ya but I'm done with all that. It was a balmy 82* today, but $hit I won't rub it in (no, why do that when I have a wife who's now complaining about minivan seats she was pefrectly FREAKING happy with *yesterday*, and that's on TOP of asking why I'm posting msg's about her butt. I just can't win). Get yer fitting & plumb the damn gauge.

If nothing else then just take the sending unit down to NAPA and ***** it into something. If it doesn't fit into a female 1/4" npt I'll be amazed. Might be 1/8" but I doubt it and ****, if you don't want to drive it down there with the sender out then just go down and have them use a sender that they have in stock to double check it. Most if that stuff is still NPT and hasn't gone metric yet.

 
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That is a good question, why are you talking about her butt? Didn't mean to get you in trouble. Well, yesterday went well, got the one piece pan gasket on and well, that was it. It was cold so it was something like 15 minutes out and 3 minutes in the microwave (little heater in the shop) not to mention it took 2 hours to get the **** heads to move thier cars! Damn ricers! I'm taking the t-bird over there and I'm going to take the seding unit with me. I never even thought about that. You're so smart! Well, I need some coffee in my system and I'll be doing the guages. Oh, just give the wife the price tag of the seats and maybe she'll nevermind ya on that. Enjoy!

 

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