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[92CustomNite]

ive heard a 351cleveland mainfold wont fit a a 302 but will a 351w?

 

[polar7400]

351c is a B.B. 302&351 w. are s.b.

 

[Justbust1n]

yes a 351 clevand is a big block it can be bored to ups of 423 a 351 winsor is just a 302 basically bored over but the blocks and heads are diffrent on the 351 clevand and 351 windsor so the intakes wont match up so yes a 351 windsor will fit but i wouldnt recomend it just get a 351 intake more and better horse power

 

[BLADE262US]

Guys with all the new people coming here for factual information I have to ask that you do a little research before posting info like this . Fact one a 351W is not a bored out 302 infact they both have the same bore of 4 inches the stroke is what is different a 302 has a 3 inch stroke and a 351 has a 3.5 inch stroke . Heres the math (pi) 3.14 x r2 x stroke so for a 302 it would be 3.14 x 2 x 2 x 3 and this is the cubic inch displacement per cylinder then times that by 8 and there ya go 301.44 and they always for marketing reasons round up . A 351 C is one of my favorite engines I have had many of them . This motor is kinda considered a big block but the physical mounting points are all small block it will bolt right in where a 302 / 351W sat with ease now the exhaust is a different story . This motor shares absolutely nothing with a 302 or a 351W its a totally different engine family with the exception of the 302 BOSS which had 351C heads on it with a very special intake manifold . The 351C does share some parts with the 351M and 400 but the major shared parts stop at the heads everything else like block/rods/crank are unique to the 351C . So many people say they have a 351C from the factory in there 1979 F 150 well Ill tell ya ford only used that motor for 4 yrs 1970 to 1974 and it was never ever in a truck . Now a 302 and a 351w do share alot of parts but the intake is not one of them neither is the block or crank . The 351W has a wider spread therefore a wider intake they do not interchange . I have seen this a few times too someone will put a 351W oil pan on a 302 and yes it will bolt right on but the 351W has a larger rear main and what this means is that with a 351W pan on a 302 there will be about a 1/4 inch gap between the pan and the seal so it will splash oil out of it about as fast as you can put it in . Theres tons of info on these motors you just have to look a little and I dont know if you guys know this but the address bar doesnt have to have a www. in front of everything try copying and pasting this in there and see what you get ford 335 engine /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

This is a very good read . /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

http://www.kitcarusa.com/kb.php?aid=16

Oh and one more thing to get a 351C to a 423 cubic inch would require boreing it .400 . Thats almost 1/2 inch . I dont know if youve ever looked at a cleveland block but theres not 1/2 inch between cylinders let alone taking it out of 2 . Changeing the stroke with a different crank would be the only feesable way to do this . Ok Im done ranting now /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

 

[Justbust1n]

Guys with all the new people coming here for factual information I have to ask that you do a little research before posting info like this . Fact one a 351W is not a bored out 302 infact they both have the same bore of 4 inches the stroke is what is different a 302 has a 3 inch stroke and a 351 has a 3.5 inch stroke . Heres the math (pi) 3.14 x r2 x stroke so for a 302 it would be 3.14 x 2 x 2 x 3 and this is the cubic inch displacement per cylinder then times that by 8 and there ya go 301.44 and they always for marketing reasons round up . A 351 C is one of my favorite engines I have had many of them . This motor is kinda considered a big block but the physical mounting points are all small block it will bolt right in where a 302 / 351W sat with ease now the exhaust is a different story . This motor shares absolutely nothing with a 302 or a 351W its a totally different engine family with the exception of the 302 BOSS which had 351C heads on it with a very special intake manifold . The 351C does share some parts with the 351M and 400 but the major shared parts stop at the heads everything else like block/rods/crank are unique to the 351C . So many people say they have a 351C from the factory in there 1979 F 150 well Ill tell ya ford only used that motor for 4 yrs 1970 to 1974 and it was never ever in a truck . Now a 302 and a 351w do share alot of parts but the intake is not one of them neither is the block or crank . The 351W has a wider spread therefore a wider intake they do not interchange . I have seen this a few times too someone will put a 351W oil pan on a 302 and yes it will bolt right on but the 351W has a larger rear main and what this means is that with a 351W pan on a 302 there will be about a 1/4 inch gap between the pan and the seal so it will splash oil out of it about as fast as you can put it in . Theres tons of info on these motors you just have to look a little and I dont know if you guys know this but the address bar doesnt have to have a www. in front of everything try copying and pasting this in there and see what you get ford 335 engine /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

This is a very good read . /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

http://www.kitcarusa.com/kb.php?aid=16

Oh and one more thing to get a 351C to a 423 cubic inch would require boreing it .400 . Thats almost 1/2 inch . I dont know if youve ever looked at a cleveland block but theres not 1/2 inch between cylinders let alone taking it out of 2 . Changeing the stroke with a different crank would be the only feesable way to do this . Ok Im done ranting now /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

what i meant was the top end of a 302 is basically the same we where talkin about the top end right we didnt get into the bottom end and as far as the 302 being the same as a windsor other than the (stroke i meant stroke not bore)rods and crank and bore it is you can use the same block on both applications as 302 and windsor not clevand right . i have rebuilt both i used to own a mustang so i know my stuff on both of the from trick flow pistons to changingin the rod bearings so research i know , also i was staying on the subject ... likei said he was woundering about the top end it had nothing to do with the bottom end of a engine, he didnt need to know all of that .will it fit ;NO .. its an INTAKE!!!! not a Cam or a crank to much info ... your tellin me to get the facts i am tellin you to stick to the subject [-X the big block clevand is not the greatest feet ford has accomplished either it is better to just build a small block to a 351 if you want a stronger bottom end just get a 400M a cleveland is just like trying to put a restricter plate on a 500 horsepower engine but i guess diffrent opions are what this fourm is for ... but dont test my knowlege of ford engines cause i have built and dogged them all out and REBUILT THEM FROM SCRATCH!! ok now i am done ranting

 

[swampthing]

i have to agree with justbust1n about 400M being a good motor..they are very torquey and run great HOWEVER...the huge mains cause problems if you over rev it one too many times..i have seen people spin bearings in a brand new motor..other then that little inconvinience they are very good engines

 

[BLADE262US]

Ok Justbust1n from reading your reply I see that you say the blocks are the same for 302 and 351 w is that what your saying ? Maybe Im reading it wrong but when you say "what i meant was the top end of a 302 is basically the same we where talkin about the top end right we didnt get into the bottom end and as far as the 302 being the same as a windsor other than the (stroke i meant stroke not bore)rods and crank and bore it is you can use the same block on both applications as 302 and windsor not clevand right " I am going to disagree with you 100 % absolutely none of the motors mentioned share the block they are all very much unique . Yes you can interchange 302 and 351W heads but thats as far as it goes . So am I going to test your knowledge damn straight I am , Im 32 yrs old and have had nothing but fords all my life since I was 15 I have built many from scratch as you say and Im happy to say that every motor with the exception of one is still running . I have been messing with these motors long enough to know most all the little differences . I know the cleveland is not the best motor ford ever made it has its problems too like the little issue of the mains starving for oil at high rpms, But hey I said it was one of my favorites doesnt mean it has to be yours . All I was getting at is if theres new people here asking for correct information for something there doing dont shotgun it out there that hey you can use a 302 block to build your 351W because Ill tell ya if they take your advise and get all the parts what are they going to think of you when the crank wont even bolt into that block . Just something to think about but yes if I know for a fact that what your saying is not correct then yes I will call ******** and you have two choices 1 . make an ass of yourself debating something that most everyone here knows isnt true or 2 . go back and do your homework and if your sure your right then call ******** on me , But Ill tell ya I do my homework before I post any important info . /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

 

[firelt90bronco]

Alright, alright before we have a repeat of the tranny arguement lets cool down and get our facts straight. By the way, they call it a 351 for a reason because its different from a 302. Now I don't know who made a 351 manifold fit a 302, nor do I care.

 

[Justbust1n]

Ok Justbust1n from reading your reply I see that you say the blocks are the same for 302 and 351 w is that what your saying ? Maybe Im reading it wrong but when you say "what i meant was the top end of a 302 is basically the same we where talkin about the top end right we didnt get into the bottom end and as far as the 302 being the same as a windsor other than the (stroke i meant stroke not bore)rods and crank and bore it is you can use the same block on both applications as 302 and windsor not clevand right " I am going to disagree with you 100 % absolutely none of the motors mentioned share the block they are all very much unique . Yes you can interchange 302 and 351W heads but thats as far as it goes . So am I going to test your knowledge damn straight I am , Im 32 yrs old and have had nothing but fords all my life since I was 15 I have built many from scratch as you say and Im happy to say that every motor with the exception of one is still running . I have been messing with these motors long enough to know most all the little differences . I know the cleveland is not the best motor ford ever made it has its problems too like the little issue of the mains starving for oil at high rpms, But hey I said it was one of my favorites doesnt mean it has to be yours . All I was getting at is if theres new people here asking for correct information for something there doing dont shotgun it out there that hey you can use a 302 block to build your 351W because Ill tell ya if they take your advise and get all the parts what are they going to think of you when the crank wont even bolt into that block . Just something to think about but yes if I know for a fact that what your saying is not correct then yes I will call ******** and you have two choices 1 . make an ass of yourself debating something that most everyone here knows isnt true or 2 . go back and do your homework and if your sure your right then call ******** on me , But Ill tell ya I do my homework before I post any important info . /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

hahaha as far as you want to take it i dont get what ur sayin so i will break it down for you unlike most i do actually work on cars for a living i dont sit on here debating and vindictin what people say , i do this for fun unlike some that treat it like a job .... lol the 351 windsor is diffrent from a 351 clevand because a 351 is a BIG BLOCK !!! the 302 and 351 heads are diffrent and the stroke and crank and the deck hieght are diffrent but you can use the same block it is a small block if you know how to fudge around it !!! so what r u testing me on ??? i might not can type good and key all my thoughts as good as some but you put me under a car or infront of an engine i can do about anything and yes buddie i have put a 351windsor together from scratch the bottom end is diffrent going back to what the man asked you can not put a 351 clevand intake on a 351 windsor engine but you can interchange parts from a small block (r u getting this Blaze???) 302 and a small block 351 windsor are the same with some exceptions !! you can put the sam e alternator , same water pump. same timing chain , same cam, same power steering, same oil pan, same gaskets, if you want same intake, same ignition , shall i go on???your takin what i say way to techinal you like sit on here and examine most people just want a quick answer ... man please get some sun light... if you look at a 351 and a 302 stock for up close until you get to the bottom end EVERYTHING LOOKS THE SAME or pretty close ... so test away i made my point ... what do you want to put on it i have used the same block on both applications the deck height is diffrent but you can deal with that if you know how to fudge around it or get it shaved but i use it to my advantage.. and you do have to get a diffrent bellhousing for the tranny but as far as all of the bolt on stuff yes it all will work on 302 and 351w...test ??? ow by the way i had a full time job as a engine machinist in a Modifyied racing team 29 Bowman Grey Winston Salem ??? [-X

 

[BLADE262US]

Man you really dont know do ya . The motors are both small blocks yes but alot of the parts you listed do not interchange . You cannot put a 351w crank in a 302 block it will not bolt in because of the larger journal diameter not goona happen and what rods did you intend to use . The distributors dont interchange either if you did manage to get a 351 distributor in a 302 block how exactly are you going to drive the oil pump bet you didnt know that was different . And I dont sit in front of the computer all day either look around on here for some of the stuff Ive done . I work on motors all the time its a hobby for me so Im not talking out my ass when I say something . But you do what you do I for one know your full of shit and anyone that looks into the specs on the motors will know too . If you have all this knowledge and experience then post some pics of your work Id like a good laugh /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

 

[Justbust1n]

Man you really dont know do ya . The motors are both small blocks yes but alot of the parts you listed do not interchange . You cannot put a 351w crank in a 302 block it will not bolt in because of the larger journal diameter not goona happen and what rods did you intend to use . The distributors dont interchange either if you did manage to get a 351 distributor in a 302 block how exactly are you going to drive the oil pump bet you didnt know that was different . And I dont sit in front of the computer all day either look around on here for some of the stuff Ive done . I work on motors all the time its a hobby for me so Im not talking out my ass when I say something . But you do what you do I for one know your full of shit and anyone that looks into the specs on the motors will know too . If you have all this knowledge and experience then post some pics of your work Id like a good laugh /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

man i said that to begon wioth the strok on the crank is diffrent and the rods read what i wrote b4 that whatever now you get tryin to look smarter ... ow you got me on the distributor but what else ?? huh what didnt i cover tell me mr smarty pants ... lol ow and by the way the only full of shit is the ******* that acts like he is so smart some people dont do it by the book mr einstin and thats how something are discoverd did you ever figure that ??? huh ??? ,go read a book and look at picture while i get my hands dirty workin for real

 

[Justbust1n]

man i said that to begon wioth the strok on the crank is diffrent and the rods read what i wrote b4 that whatever now you get tryin to look smarter ... ow you got me on the distributor but what else ?? huh what didnt i cover tell me mr smarty pants ... lol ow and by the way the only full of shit is the ******* that acts like he is so smart some people dont do it by the book mr einstin and thats how something are discoverd did you ever figure that ??? huh ??? and if i had a camera i would send those pics right up your A$# and then will see whos laughing ,go read a book and look at picture while i get my hands dirty workin for real

ok ok i dont want to get kicked off of here so i am dropping it another day ... next time you tell someone there full of shit make sure your bigger than them ... stick and stones break my bones next time i go head to head with you ill make sure i have alot of books around and a calculator

 

[BLADE262US]

LOL I didnt learn what I know from a book I learned it stricktly from alot of hands on experience . There are many differences in those motors that will cost you alot of money if you make a mistake , I have spent my fair share . I am not going to argue with you anymore some things you just cant fix . Anyone here that has read any of my post knows what Im capable of and what I have done I dont know everything but I do know alot and what I do know I know very well . I dont know where you get the idea that I sit here reading a book all day for my info but hey if thats what you got out of me telling you to do your homework then that just adds to my point . Anyone that reads your post will clearly see that you do not know what you are doing infact I believe that you are probably quite the cobbler how else would you get a motor together that the pistons would stick a full 1/2 inch about the deck , Hmmmmmm maybe you stacked the head gaskets LOL did you learn that on your race car team . My opinion stands your full of shit /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

 

[swampthing]

wow what a debate that simple question has started

 

[firelt90bronco]

Each side gets one pipe and they have 15 minutes to hit eachother with it...

 

[Justbust1n]

LOL I didnt learn what I know from a book I learned it stricktly from alot of hands on experience . There are many differences in those motors that will cost you alot of money if you make a mistake , I have spent my fair share . I am not going to argue with you anymore some things you just cant fix . Anyone here that has read any of my post knows what Im capable of and what I have done I dont know everything but I do know alot and what I do know I know very well . I dont know where you get the idea that I sit here reading a book all day for my info but hey if thats what you got out of me telling you to do your homework then that just adds to my point . Anyone that reads your post will clearly see that you do not know what you are doing infact I believe that you are probably quite the cobbler how else would you get a motor together that the pistons would stick a full 1/2 inch about the deck , Hmmmmmm maybe you stacked the head gaskets LOL did you learn that on your race car team . My opinion stands your full of shit /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

i have explained and explian and still you just want to see what you see, your a ***** i said the deck hieght is diffrent and so on you can change the rod length and the piston height or did you not know you can do that ??? or is this the twlight zone ??? isnt that what aftermarket parts are for?? isnt that changing compression ?? lol and shut up my poinion stands you got proven wrong ... go do one of your post that determines what EB stands for and leave to real work to professionals !! and yeah i learned more than your ass knows from my racing team... but what have you done with your life ??? you do this as a hobby i do it as a job and get PAID for it.. so sit down little one before i sit you down )

 

[BLADE262US]

Well like I said I am not going ot argue with you anymore about this . What you have posted says enough . Anyone that knows these motors knows those parts do not interchange and 351W crank will not phyically fit into a 302 block . As for my life you know nothing about me and Im not going to get into the I make more than you or I have a better job than you , All Im going to tell you is that I do very well and have more toys than any one person should probably ever have so yeah Ive dont good for myself . On the other hand you keep wanting to go the way of making personal threats I let it slide last time but this time I wont . Yes we have been in a debate the last few days , Thats between me and you . I am a mod here and dont think I would abuse my place here because we were having a debate , Thats not the case but I will tell you one time and one time only so read it a few times so you comprehend it . Personal threats made to ANY members here will be dealt with with an instant and permanent BAN no matter who they are . So we can debate all we want tell eachother were full of shit but if threats start being made thats it . Youve made a few other post where I called you out and you were wrong , Im thinking that your getting mad because of your lack of knowledge so maybe if you chose not to argue and go out to your garage ifyou have one and look at the motors you could educate yourself with the help of others here . Im not making what I say up , Everything I have told you is based on my hands on experience . I have had both motrs torn down in front of me and looked at all the parts to see the differences , I have seen the wrong oil pan put on befpre and know that it leaves a gap for oil to come out , I didnt make it up with the help of my race team . And before you reply to this make sure you read the part about making threats and sound it out so you fully understand it because if Id have seen you doing it to another member it would have been done already . /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" /> Now go learn something

 

[Yardape]

Wow talk about entertaining. Anyways if anyone cares about who is right and who is wrong....... Its Blade. Justbustin, relax you have good intentions but Blade is 100% correct here.

 

[Justbust1n]

Well like I said I am not going ot argue with you anymore about this . What you have posted says enough . Anyone that knows these motors knows those parts do not interchange and 351W crank will not phyically fit into a 302 block . As for my life you know nothing about me and Im not going to get into the I make more than you or I have a better job than you , All Im going to tell you is that I do very well and have more toys than any one person should probably ever have so yeah Ive dont good for myself . On the other hand you keep wanting to go the way of making personal threats I let it slide last time but this time I wont . Yes we have been in a debate the last few days , Thats between me and you . I am a mod here and dont think I would abuse my place here because we were having a debate , Thats not the case but I will tell you one time and one time only so read it a few times so you comprehend it . Personal threats made to ANY members here will be dealt with with an instant and permanent BAN no matter who they are . So we can debate all we want tell eachother were full of shit but if threats start being made thats it . Youve made a few other post where I called you out and you were wrong , Im thinking that your getting mad because of your lack of knowledge so maybe if you chose not to argue and go out to your garage ifyou have one and look at the motors you could educate yourself with the help of others here . Im not making what I say up , Everything I have told you is based on my hands on experience . I have had both motrs torn down in front of me and looked at all the parts to see the differences , I have seen the wrong oil pan put on befpre and know that it leaves a gap for oil to come out , I didnt make it up with the help of my race team . And before you reply to this make sure you read the part about making threats and sound it out so you fully understand it because if Id have seen you doing it to another member it would have been done already . /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" /> Now go learn something

telling someone there full of shit is an insult and pickin a fight in my terms maybe not in yours but hey that what i feel and if your going to suspend me then you should suspend yourself and quit tellin people they are full of shit its my opinion and, you have yours if i could meet you in person and explain what i have tried to but in so many words on here then i think you would understand where i am comming from and you have never called me out on anything, outher than a misunderstanding on a starter issue and that because i had a diffrent set up than stock.. so if your going to ssupend me or revoke my previlges then you should revoke your on and quit using you previdlges for your on good so go ahead but i think this is just between me and you and you would be doin it just because i am giving another view of your answer then fine but if you notice i didnt start anything ,YOU DID saying i was full of shit i have never been this way up until you STARTED it so do what you got to but if you do i would make sure to discuss it with all of the other moderaters and quit jusyt pointing me out because i wasnt the one sain and startin the verbal abuse !!!! ) saying someone is full of shit is and will be instagating... and most of what i said was right if you would like for me to go over it all again most of the bolt on stuff will fit a 302 ... lol but whatever mr thinks he knows it all ... your snide remarks really dont matter to me and quit frankly a i dont care i can just make another account but i would like to keep this one.. have nice day and as to your little secret remark about how you make more money than me ... lol i help run a race team , modifyed and that cost alot of money and yes i have alot of toys to probably to many but if you think you make more money than me by them time i am your age i will be retired ... hahaha if you wouldnt say snide remarks you would get a responce thats why i like fourms and espically this one the words just fly no threats just the FACTS