88 bronco 5.8L wont idle

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hello everyone, i just bought an 88 bronco eddie bauer and for some reason wont stay running unlees i have to keep my foot on the pedal, things that i already did:

1. change oil pump (had no pressuere when i bought it)

2. replace intake manifold for long tube headers

3. removed catalistic converter

4. custom dual exhaust

5. changed wires

6. new spark plugs gapped to .44

7. changed steering column from steering wheel all the way down to steering gear box

8. changed cap and rotor

now, it had the same idling symptom when i bought it but after doing the tune up i still have the same issue, now something i notice was that the EGR valve, the tube that comes down towards the exhaust was cut off and i felt like it was sucking air thru there ( if thats the case how do i remove this and cover the hole where is located by the throttle body. any sugestions, thanks in advance

 

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Lets start simple and check out your idle ***** on the throttle body, make sure it's there and at an acceptable range (you're going to have to tweak it to make it run right, without going over 1k RPM.)

Also when it's about to stall, does the idle go wonky before it stalls or does it just drop flat?

Give us an update and let us know!

 

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yo elpapisf,

in all Respect to NaturalRampage, may I suggest that you not adjust that ***** yet,

Try a Self Test for Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC)s by my pal, BroncoJoe19

http://broncozone.com/topic/14269-code-reader/page__pid__74587__mode__threaded

The engine temperature must be greater than 50° F for the Key On Engine Off (KOEO) Self-Test and greater than 180° F for the Key On Engine Running (KOER) Self-Test (try if you can get it to run long enough after doing the rest of the tests here).

Run it around to heat the engine up and shift thru all gears incl Reverse. Then turn off all accessories/lights, etc.

Make sure A/C is off and transmission is in Park (automatic) or in Neutral for a Manual & release clutch.

Do Key On Engine Off (KOEO) portion

Idle Air Control (IAC); also called, Idle Air Bypass (IAB), Idle Speed Control (ISC), Throttle Bypass Air, Idle Bypass, Inlet Air Controller, Inlet Air Bypass, Intake Air Bypass, Intake Air Control

Idle Air Control (IAC) Sludge; Poor Idle TSB 91-25-07 for 85-92 Bronco & F Serie Source: by Nelbur at Ford Bronco Zone Forums"For most of my trucks life it has been dying when it was started hot. It would rev up and then drop the idle so low it would die unless I would catch the idle with the accelerator. It would never die when cold as the IAC would keep the idle speed up, and it never died at stop lights. Now it's worst situation seems to be when it has been shut down for a half hour or so, and restarted. I wonder if the heat soak is fooling the ETC into thinking the engine is warmer than it really is.

I have spent some time this week trying to set up an air bypass around the IAC valve by cutting away some of the gasket between the IAC in and out air holes, rather than pay big bucks for Fords spacer kit. I cut away the center of the original IAC gasket from the outside of each hole to the outside of the other hole, giving about 1/2" gap for the air to pass through. I noticed an immediate improvement in the engines starting behavior, but it would still die occasionally.

decided that more improvement could be had if I had a thicker gasket, because the original IAC gasket was very thin (0.018"). I had some 0.030" gasket material so I made my own with the same 1/2" cut out. This gave enough bypass to noticeably raise the idle speed and almost eliminate the dying. After maybe 50 starts in the last few days, it only died twice. After so many years of catching it with the accelerator it is darned hard to leave my foot off it. It is clear to me that by trial and error one can tune the air bypass without the need for the expensive Ford kit. I may combine the two gaskets for more bypass, but the idle is about as fast as I would want now, especially for driving in snow."

Idle Speed Adjustment in Idle Air Control (IAC) Sludge; Poor Idle TSB 91-25-07 for 85-92 Bronco & F Series & many others; "...Detailed application charts for throttle body and idle air by-pass solenoid service procedures by engine VIN #/engine displacement/vehicle application and model year are shown. Refer to these charts to see if the service kit is to be installed and which service cleaning procedure, if any, is to be used..."

PROCEDURE #2

IDLE AIR BY-PASS VALVE CLEANING ONLY

CAUTION: THIS CLEANING PROCEDURE MAY BE USED WITH SLUDGE TOLERANT THROTTLE BODIES WHICH ARE IDENTIFIED WITH A YELLOW/BLACK "ATTENTION" LABEL AND THOSE USING SERVICE KIT (F2PZ-9F939-A). NO ATTEMPT SHOULD BE MADE TO CLEAN THROTTLE BODY BORE/PLATE AREA BY DIRECT SPRAYING OR SCRUBBING. DO NOT RUN VEHICLES WITH AIR FLOW METERS DURING CLEANING PROCEDURE.

Plug the actuator into the connector in the Rotunda Air By-Pass Valve Adapter 113-00009, or equivalent.

Remove the air duct to the throttle body inlet.

Disconnect the idle air by-pass valve signal lead.

Attach the actuator harness plug to the idle air by-pass valve.

Start the actuator and then start the engine.

NOTE: DO NOT START ENGINES THAT HAVE AIR FLOW METERS.

Spray the Carburetor Tune-up Cleaner for about five (5) seconds into the idle air by-pass valve inlet passage while the actuator is operating.

CAUTION: AVOID DIRECT SPRAYING ON THROTTLE PLATE/BORE AREA

Stop the engine and actuator. Let everything soak for fifteen (15) minutes.

Start the actuator and the start the engine.

CAUTION: DO NOT START ENGINES THAT HAVE AIR FLOW METERS.

Spray Carburetor Tune-up Cleaner into the throttle bore for up to one (1) minute.

CAUTION: DO NOT SPRAY FOR LONGER THAN SIX (6) CONTINUOUS SECONDS ON ENGINES THAT HAVE AIR FLOW METERS AND ARE NOT RUNNING.

Stop actuator and stop engine if running.

Reinstall the air duct.

Start and run the engine for about one (1) minute to dry out the solvent residue.

Operate the actuator to make sure the solvent is purged from the idle by-pass valve.

Disconnect the actuator from the idle air by-pass valve.

Reattach the control signal lead to the air by-pass valve.

Check engine for normal operation.

NOTE: IT SHOULD NOT BE NECESSARY TO RESET THE IDLE SPEED SINCE ONLY THE IDLE AIR BY-PASS VALVE WAS SERVICED IN THIS PROCEDURE

Spacer Plate Depiction; hard cold starts, stalling hesitation, rough idle, rolling idle, etc; clean the throttle bore, plate & air bypass valve; service kit (Part No. F2PZ-9F939-A) to prevent sludge accumulation in the throttle bores of many of its 1983-92 EFI vehicles (except those with sludge-resistant coatings). The kit contains two gaskets, a spacer plate that you put between the air bypass valve and its mounting boss and installation instructions. Ford says installing the kit will eliminate the need for periodic cleanup of the throttle bore and plate, and as such, no longer covers the procedure under its 5-year/50,000-mile emissions warranty. If you prefer to go a different route, be aware that Tomco recently introduceda similar kit to the aftermarket under Part No. 8491. If you’d like more information, call Tomco at 314- 567-4520 for specific year and model coverage..."

throttle-body-air-bypass-spacer-plate1.jpg

Source: by Seattle FSB (SeattleFSB) at SuperMotors.net

Vacuum Leak Symptoms & Overview; Surging, Rough idle, rich fuel condition, which may cause spark plug fouling, Detonation due to too much spark advance and a lean fuel ratio, loss of power and/or fuel economy due to ******** timing and an excessively rich fuel ratio; a vacuum leak will reduce intake vacuum and cause the MAP sensor to indicate a higher than normal load on the engine. The computer will try to compensate by richening the fuel mixture and retarding timing, which hurts fuel economy, performance and emissions.

See my Vacuum Leak Test @ http://broncozone.com/topic/22770-low-idle/

 
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well here is an update: took the TB out to check all components and i found that the Idle Air Control valve completely rusted, also found that the TPS was stripped, also i found that i was missing the gasket that goes in between the TB and the plenum, now i have to mention that i bought this truck from a self called mechanic and im glad that i dont trust people when it comes to cars, oh and by the way the butterflies on the TB were rusted, so i took it all apart and cleaned it with purple power (no there was no coating on the TB) i will put it together tomorrow and ill let you guys know how it runs

 
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so i got the truck running at least, it is obiously a timing issue and i just found out that i have a leaking intake manifold gasket, so im wondering how long is that gonna take to replace. any imputs?

oh by the way when they put my headers they took the o2 sensor out and there is no o2 sensor so my question is is there something i can do or do i have to instal one?

 
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yo E,

Gasket Installation, Upper & Lower in a 91 5.8

Source: by Meixter (Cookie Monster) at http://www.supermotors.net/clubs/superford/registry/3367/13691

Gasket Installation, Upper & Lower in an 86 5.0

Source: by slim68 at http://www.supermotors.net/registry/21207/72166

Removal & Installation in 5.0 & 5.8 w/bolt torques & Diagrams (Chilton)

Source: by miesk5 at http://broncozone.com/topic/22540-waterpumpvalvecoverupperlowerintakemanifoldgaskets/

Removal, Upper Intake in an 89 5.0

Source: by Waltman at http://www.supermotors.net/registry/10222/55357

Removal, Upper Intake Tip & Tool in an 86 5.0; "...This is the Torx T-40 you're going to need to get that pesky inner center ***** out with to remove the EFI's upper intake. Trouble is you'll never get that 3/8" drive socket between the runners, with the space the way it is. I just drift the center part of the T-40 out. It happens to be 1/4" hex. Now it's seperated from it's 3/8" host housing. I use contact cement to glue the T-40 bit into a 1/4" drive 1/4" sized socket and then work with several 1/4" rachet extensions, which pass through the intake runners no trouble at all..."

Source: by Sixlitre (Malcolm H, Eddie Bauer) at http://www.supermotors.net/registry/4970/20145

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re, when they put my headers they took the o2 sensor out and there is no o2 sensor so my question is is there something i can do or do i have to install one?

yes, go to the shop owner and mention that they should have welded the O2 sensor **** in.

What beand headers? Can look manufacturer site up and see if they show the correct **** for your year & engine.

Our SPONSOR, Jeff's Bronco Graveyard does show Exhaust Manifold, 351W Right W/ O2 Hole and Air Hole

Item #30010 - New

pass side with 351W W/O2 hole and air hole.with exhaust ****** studs and gasket

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Our Price: $84.00

http://broncograveyard.com/bronco/i-30010-exhaust-manifold-351w-right-w-o2-hole-and-air-hole.html

I did a quick look @ Bassani, Flow Master, MagnaFlow & Hedman sites and none show the **** for their headers

They ****! LOL

And this is by Size;

Walker Products 2012 Oxygen Sensor Bungs & Plugs http://www.walkerproducts.com/wp-content/images/downloads/2012-03/BungFlyer.pdf

 

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Mind if I chime in? I'm having trouble finding my IAC on my 87 4bl can u help me please?

 

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yo IAN

WELCOME!!

No IAC on carbed engines; did you just buy this Bronco and did you install the engine?

Carburetor Idle Adjustment http://www.recarbco.com/technical/idle/idle_adjust.html

Vacuum Leak Symptoms, General; "...Too fast an idle speed; A rough idle or stalling; Hesitation or misfiring when accelerating; An idle mixture that defies adjustment (carburetor)
Source: by aa1car.com

Vehicle Emission Control Information (VECI) Decal; Contains Vacuum Diagram & Calibration Parts List for 88 & UP. On-Line for Free at Ford. Click "Quick Guides" in left panel; Scroll to & CLICK VECI Labels "Provides Vehicle Emission Control Information (VECI) and a related calibration parts list." Enter applicable info (need to know your Calibration number (also called catch code) from your B-pillar sticker). Vacuum Diagram is the same as the one on the core support or hood or air filter cover. Suggest Right Clicking this Hot Link & Open in New Window
Source: by Ford http://www.motorcraftservice.com  vever mind, thought you are the one that has the 88 (see it on my browser's window)

 

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Cool thx for the reply.no ,I'm the one with the 87.I've had my truck for a year now and it just started with the irregular idle moods!

 

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Cool thx for the reply.no ,I'm the one with the 87.I've had my truck for a year now and it just started with the irregular idle moods!
Please start your own threads even if you think you have the same problem.  If you attach to someone else your request may get missed.  Fortunately, it didn't happen this time.  We don't want to accidently ignore anyone. :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

Good luck,

:)>-

 
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Hey Ian,

I havent been on here regularly lately, but i do check the site from time to time, if i can help out i will...  If you have an 87 that came from the factory with a 4 bbl carb (holley), congrats for owning a  rare find in the B-Co world;  Unfortunately, that will prove to be a good and bad thing as im sure you will find out if you havent already. If your rig doesnt have the ECM in the engine bay, which im sure it doesnt, thats adds to complexity.  I also have an 87 that came with 4 bbl holley, and i have had a helluva time trying to restore my rig.  Fortunately, you found the right site to ask any and all questions about your rig.  There is alot of good collective knowledge here.  Like seabronc said, start a thread and im sure you will get pointed in the right direction!! 

 

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