5.8 runs better when o2 sensor is unplugged??

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Alright guys i have a single code which is 311 i have check the bottom check valve seems to be operational all the piping is good any how when i unplug the o2 sensor it seems to smooth i mean the motor still shakes but not as bad but when i plug the o2 sensor back in it runs pretty bad even driving it  feels awfull to drive ive replaced egr valve new coil cap rotor wires plugs check for vacuum leaks tps sensor could faulty injectors have something to do with the o2 sensor????? i even have more power with o2 sensor unplugged

 
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yo Jack,

311 KOER Thermactor air system inoperative (right side)

DTC 311 - Thermactor air system inoperable; The control system can divert air injection UPstream (into the heads), DOWNstream (into the catalyst), or DUMP (to the atmosphere). This is assuming the air pump is actually delivering air to the system, and that the pipes, hoses, check valves, control valves, solenoids, and vacuum lines are all working. Clogged air injection tubes are common, as is rust-through. Believe it or not, a leaky vacuum reservoir (coffee can looking thing on the passenger side fender liner) can cause codes such as this; there simply might not be a strong enough vacuum to control the valves properly.

...because of the possibility that (following is an excerpt of a condensed discussion of how a bad TAB/TAD/vac line DTC 311 ... and so-on problem could cause a rich aroma; Your smog pump... blows fresh clean air up through a hose to the diverter valve. The solenoid next to the diverter valve which has a .... pink little hose plugged into ... it, creates a vacuum (sucking) that opens up the valve, and allows the fresh air to pass through the valve and make it's way to the exhaust, where the cats burn the unburnt gas more efficiently since this all happens during "open loop mode". Open loop mode happens when you turn on your car and it revs at 1200rpms for the first 15-20 seconds. During this process, your ECU feeds more gas to the engine to warm up the car quickly before driving. (also known as choke on older cars). During this open loop procedure, the extra unburnt gasoline will usually cause your exhaust to smell very rich, and the air that this diverter valve sends to the cats, causes it to burn the extra unburnt gas more efficiently like I mentoined above...thus eliminating the rich gasoline smell that us older mustangs sometimes suffer from..."]

So O2 Sensor is reading Rich while connected & PCM is leaning engine? If the O2 is bad it is very possible that with carbon on the sensor that it is telling the PCM that your engine is running very lean hence will give the engine unwanted fuel causing that rough running problem you are having.

Source: by 006 (Speedconcepts) via miesk5

Thermactor air system inoperable. The computer determined that for some reason the fresh air injection from the Thermactor system was not present. There are several components that make up this system. The initial component is the smog pump. The first checks I would make are the hoses and plumbing from the smog pump back to the diverter valve (behind the pass. cylinder head) and then on to the crossover pipe at the back of the heads and down to the catalytic converter. The check valves that are at the center of the cross over pipe and the top of the metal tube from the cat are often the culprits as they can and do snap in half as the get old. If the plumbing looks to be in good order we can discuss the slightly more complicated aspects of the system. The diverter valve also has two vacuum lines running to it. Make certain they are in place and intact. (Computer needs to be able to control the flow of fresh air by the Thermactor system).

Source: by greystreak92 (Joe B)

DTC 311, 312, 313 & 314; "...311 and 314 indicate the Secondary Air Injection system is inoperative. DTC 312 indicates that Secondary Air is misdirected. DTC 313 indicates that Secondary Air is not being bypassed when requested. Possible causes: Visually inspect vacuum lines for disconnects in the AIR system. Visually inspect for proper vacuum line routing. Refer to VECI decal. Visually inspect Air Pump for broken or loose Air Pump Belt. Refer to Section 13A for adjustment/replacement...

" READ MUCH MORE Source: by Jim

http://www.justanswer.com/ford/0sqj6-trouble-codes-fo-1995-ford-f150.html

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O2 Testing; "...You can test them, but usually if there's more than ~30k miles on them, I wouldn't bother. I treat them just like spark plugs, as they DO wear out and stop performing like they're supposed to. In fact, the EEC is programmed to observe the HEGO signal and count crossovers to determine the relativistic age of the sensor, and to compensate for it. Usually the cost of HEGOs is more than paid for in terms of mileage and driveability increases, at least IMHO. MANY reference literatures state that you can test them with a voltmeter and a heat source such as a propane torch, or even right in the vehicle. This is bull to me; HEGOs generate voltage through a galvanic reaction, and it's nothing like a DC source such as a battery. They 'swing' high to low, and 'center' around a value to tell the EEC what the mixture is approximately. Also, HEGOs are accurate only within a very very narrow range, something on the order of 14.2:1 to 15:1 (don't have my references here in front of me, sorry). So that bench testing crap won't fly too well. The real problem is reading what the HEGO is outputting without that special circuitry. Many people make do with a resistor (or shunt of some sort) and a DVOM, but it's not accurate enough for ME to accept as reliable..."

Source: by SigEpBlue (Steve)

VECI - Vacuum Line Routing Diagram in a 93 5.8

Source: by bronco5.8 (Sam) at Ford Bronco Zone Forums

http://broncozone.com/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=10584

see my Vacuum leak test Acronyms & gauge pic http://broncozone.com/topic/23994-90-58l-getting-continuous-code-33-and-running-code-44/

 
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Mieisk5 i have looked at all the pluming and all seem to be good no rust what so ever i even took the lower check valve out and seen that it was fine where fo i check now ?  also is there suppose to be air coming out of the smog hose at top of the smog filter the smg pump seems to be working like it should be the valve seem to be working UPDATE no 311 code i replaced the tad valve today and so far so good but was wondering when i turn my truck off i can hear the evp like releasing air also when i was the junk yard today i noticed when i unplugged the vacuum lines to the tad sensor air there seemed to have vacuum still should my truck do this?

 
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yo Jack,

Smog Pump;

Operational Description; This pumps fresh air into the exhaust system, to burn left over hydrocarbons, lowering emissions. The computer uses 2 air valves (TAB & TAD) to control where the air flows depending on engine operation. Thermactor Air Bypass (TAB) shunts air to the atmosphere, when no air is needed. When air is needed it sends air to the second valve TAD. Thermactor Air Diverter (TAD) diverts air either to the exhaust manifold, or directly to catalytic converter. MIESK5 NOTE; If da Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor (ECT) is Below 50 degrees F, then TAB is grounded & sends air to atmosphere; If Between 50 and 190 Degrees F, Bypass Valve sends air to Diverter and to Manifold; If Over 190 Degrees F, it is in closed loop & Air goes to Catalytic Converter; Bypass when at idle/Wide Open Throttle (WOT), and with failing Oxygen Sensor. The fastest way to see if vehicle is in open loop is to see where the air is going; to Catalytic Converter, it is in Closed Loop; to Atmosphere or Manifold it is in Closed Loop, provided the thermactor system is working

Filter & Silencer Location Depiction & Pic

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/252396/fullsize/secondaryair50l.jpg

and

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/148977/fullsize/5.8l-right.jpg

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EGR Valve Position Sensor (EVP)

No vacuum @ EVP; mat be hearing EGR operation

"...Ford EGR systems DO NOT engage when: engine is cold; engine is at idle; engine is at WOT; At low ambient temps (water vapor from the exhaust can freeze on the throttle plate); The EVR is a "normally closed" solenoid, which means that when it is de-energized, the position of the disc allows for maximum venting to the atmosphere (resulting in negligible vacuum flow to the EGR valve)..."

Source: by rockledge

The EGR Vacuum Regulator (EVR) controls the opening and closing of the EGR valve. The EVR is an electromagnetic solenoid and should have between 20-70 ohms resistance between the pins. +12volts should be constant on one side from the EEC Relay, the computer controls the ground signal when EGR flow is needed.

When the EGR Vacuum Regulator (EVR) is off, both ports vent slowly to atmosphere.

To test it mechanically check to see if vacuum is present at the EGR valve with the electrical connector unplugged from the EVR. The top port should not have vacuum! Because that would open the EGR at the wrong times. See and read more @ http://web.archive.org/web/20101201013839/http://fordfuelinjection.com/index.php?p=43

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For the TAD, The vacuum reservoir (aka Vacuum Can (Tank) VRESER) in below diagram does hold vacuum for awhile;

The Vacuum Reservoir (coffee can) stores vacuum and provides "muscle" vacuum. It prevents rapid fluctuations or sudden drops in a vacuum signal such as those seen during an acceleration period. When charged initially with 51-67 kPa (15-20 in-Hg) vacuum, vacuum loss shall not exceed 2 kPa (.5 in-Hg) in 60 seconds. If it does, replace the reservoir.

Thermactor Air Diverter Solenoid (TAD, AIRD, AM2); "...is controlled by the EEC-IV computer and provides vacuum to the Air Bypass/Air Control Valve. With vacuum present, air flows to the exhaust manifold. With no vacuum, air flows from the air pump to the catalyst..."

Source: by Ted F

I never saw a description on the TAD holding vacuum; but thee are check valve(s) in the vac circuit;

secondaryair.jpg

 
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