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I was driving my '91 the other day and had the oddest thing happened,

After making it about 2 or so miles into my run across town I was coming to a stop and my Bco acted like it was trying to push through the brakes and the engine died. It re-started with no issue but when I put it in drive it died again. I try'd again, put the transmission in Neutral, started the engine, engaged Drive and the engine died again.

I was like...

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So I try'd again, but this time I skipped D and went strait to first, engine stayed running. Shifted into Drive with my foot still on the Brake and the engine died again.

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At this point I'm getting a lil' up set. Started the engine in N and revv'd the engine out of frustration. Back to "D" and drove with out issue.  Made my stop, and drove to the other side of town, and it happened again.

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That time I could put it in drive as long as my foot was giving the gas pedal a lil' push. And even then the engine sounded like it was under a major load. The next few stop signs had me putting the transmission into neutral when coming to a stop. After driving home I needed to make another trip a few hours later, this time my trip was drama free like nothing happened.

@-)

Now I've had issues with my E4OD for a long while now, and from what I've been reading on the F150 forums and other Bronco forums this happens when the Torque Converter stay's locked when coming to a stop. I'm thinking that this is what is happening and that it's time for a new TC. Just wondering if I should be looking for anything else before I pull the transmission.

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Yo skitter,

Check for codes yet¿

Is Transmission Control Indicator Light (TCIL) & flashing¿

Some possible TC related codes:

DTC 62 or 628  Converter Overheat, High Line Pressure; E4OD/4R100 transmissions often have problems with converter overheat, codes 62, 628,, high line pressure and low cooler. The pressure regulator valve can close off critical converter/cooler circuit under high-demand situations, causing the TCC to drag on and glaze the lining at idle, or restricting converter/cooler charge during high load causing converter slip codes, overheat and lube failures.

Or, DTC 629, Output circuit check, generated only by electrical condition. **May also be generated by other non-electronic related transmission hardware condition. 

Symptoms: Failed on; engine stalls in drive at idle, low speeds with brake applied or manual second.

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I'll honestly say that I forgot to even think about checking for codes. For the reason that, in the past anytime I've had an issue with an engine not running correctly  I've never gotten codes. A year ago when the transmission was running hotter then the engine, I never got any codes. Now grant'd that was due to a bad EEC, my point still is it just seems like any time I have an issue the computer doesn't throw a code for me to find.

I'll check after work today just to be sure.

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Yo,

Ok, I understand.

BTW,  a Transmission Control Indicator Light (TCIL) flashing is an indication of a transmission related trouble code in the Powertrain Control Module (PCM). 

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Yo,

Ok, assuming it was 11for both koeo and koer;

Concerns: No 1st Gear In Drive, Engages In Higher Gear
Possible Component Reference/Action
215 — ELECTRICAL ROUTINE
Powertrain Control System  
  • Electrical inputs/outputs, vehicle wiring harnesses, powertrain control module, shift solenoid 1, shift solenoid 2, transmission range sensor
  • Run On-Board Diagnostics. Refer to Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis Manual for diagnosis. Perform Service Manual Pinpoint Tests A and D using the Rotunda Transmission Tester 007-00085, Cable and Overlay 007-00107 and the Transmission Range (TR) Sensor Cable "B" (MLPS Manual Lever Position Sensor Cable) 007-00086 or equivalents as outlined in this manual. Service as required. Clear codes, road test and rerun On-Board Diagnostics.
  • This is self test
315 — HYDRAULIC/MECHANICAL ROUTINE
Shift Linkage (Internal/External) or Cables, Transmission Range (TR) Sensor  
  • Damaged, not connected, misadjusted
  • Inspect and service as required. Verify linkage adjustment as outlined. After servicing linkage, verify that the transmission range (TR) sensor is properly adjusted. Refer to In-Vehicle Service in this section.
Main Controls  
  • Bolts not tightened to specification
  • Retighten bolts to specification.
  • Gaskets damaged, misaligned
  • Inspect for damage and replace.
  • Shift solenoid 1, shift solenoid 2 stuck or damaged
  • Refer to Electrical Routine No. 215.
  • Solenoid regulator valve, 2-3 shift valve, 3-4 shift valve, D2 valve — stuck, missing, misassembled, damaged
  • Inspect for damage. Service as required.
  • Air bleeds for S1-S2 circuits missing
  • Inspect for damage. Replace case.
  • Wrong components used in rebuild
  • Verify that proper components were used. Service as required.
Mechanical  
  • Band servo, clutches damaged
  • Refer to proper disassembly procedures in this section.
For diagnosis related to a specific gear, use Transmission Tester to determine gear Refer to the following routine(s) for further diagnosis
No Shift 1-2, Routine 220/320 
No Shift 2-3, Routine 221/321
No Shift 3-4, Routine 222/322
Reverse Ring Gear  
  • Damaged gear lugs to reverse carrier
  • Inspect for damage. Service as required.
Low One-Way Clutch  
  • Damaged, misassembled
  • Inspect for damage, proper assembly. Service as required

 

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The Best answer would be to take the Bronco to a trans shop and have them put their tools on it.

I'm thinking before I do so I'm going to try a new MLPS and while I'm under there look for any damaged wires.

 

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On 12/19/2018 at 10:49 AM, miesk5 said:

Is  Transmission Control Indicator Light (TCIL) flashing? 

MLPS TEST w/ Connector Pin Diagram w/colors by RLA at 1993_f_series_mlps_pinout_and_testing_2cb56e2ae312f5db2a43e732b5c9092d719e2c82

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