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Hi Everyone! I have a '68 U13. We pulled the old 351 and installed an '01 5.0 from a Mountaineer. It buttons-up to the C4 fine, but we keep blowing tranny seals. We've replaced one, and it did it again after about 4 hours of rock crawling at Bronco Daze. Any suggestions on what might be causing this? Thanks so much for all your help!

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Did you use the Torque convertor and flex plate from the 302 or 351. I think the flexplate for the 351 is balanced at 28oz, maybe the vibration could cause the seal to leak? Fluid level too high? How does the fluid look? Could be overheating.

 

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Flex Plate Installation Instructions; C-4, C-6 & AOD

Source: by bmracing @ http://bmracing.com/wp-bnmcont/uploads/114501.pdf

Significant EXCERPTS:

Leaks can be caused by several reasons. The most common are front seal failure and vibration cracks.

Front seal failure is due to improperly installed seal (damaged during installation), misalignment, worn pump bushing, or worn converter impeller hub.

A ballooned converter can have a slightly bent impeller hub. Inspect the pump bushing when you replace the seal.

Check dowel pins in the engine block for sufficient engagement and polish the converter impeller hub with 400 grit

wet and dry sandpaper and oil.

Cracks can develop in the impeller hub or perimeter weld from stress and vibration. If a crack occurs around the

impeller or pilot hub we recommend you return it for repair.

=====

Typical C4 leakage points are the pan gasket along with front pump and output shaft yoke seals. Whenever you rebuild a C4, make sure these seals get abundant lubrication. Transmission assembly **** is perfect for these seals.

This keeps them pliable for dry start-up. What kills seals more than anything is long storage periods followed by dry start-ups. Mixing transmission fluid types can also damage seals.

Because C4s generate high temperatures, heat takes a toll on fluid, friction materials, seals, and even hard parts like planetaries, clutch drums, and pistons. This is why having clean fluid and a fresh filter is so important. A C4's filter doesn't filter fluid as finitely as an engine's oil filter for example. It is more like a screen designed to catch particulates and other contaminates that can render your transmission inoperative in short order.

Add fluid to the FULL mark. After an open road drive, examine fluid consistency and color. If it is foamy, the transmission is overfilled. It's always best to underfill, then add as necessary. If you overfill, you will have to either siphon fluid out or loosen the pan. Never check transmission fluid level cold; always check at operating temperature

Read more: http://www.mustangmonthly.com/techarticles/mump_1101_service_ford_mustang_c4_transmissions/viewall.html#ixzz2DoDZmTFo

Read more: http://www.mustangmonthly.com/techarticles/mump_1101_service_ford_mustang_c4_transmissions/viewall.html#ixzz2DoDQCEsu

Read more: by Jim S at http://www.mustangmonthly.com/techarticles/mump_1101_service_ford_mustang_c4_transmissions/viewall.html#ixzz2DoD7gIRU

Read more: http://www.mustangmonthly.com/techarticles/mump_1101_service_ford_mustang_c4_transmissions/viewall.html#ixzz2DoCzlMxb

By Jasper;

Check area for tool gouges or cracks

If in bellhousing area, check converter for crack

Fasteners over or under- torqued

by gregaust:

2 seals at the shift linkage , the inner rarely leaks , the small outer o'ring type seal is most common and easily replaced by only removing the kickdown linkage .

Cooler lines ?

There are o'rings under the case adaptor fittings also go pretty hard with age

 
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Did you use the Torque convertor and flex plate from the 302 or 351. I think the flexplate for the 351 is balanced at 28oz, maybe the vibration could cause the seal to leak? Fluid level too high? How does the fluid look? Could be overheating.
Hi BC! Thanks so much for the reply. We'll certainly check the flexplate. Fluid level was correct, was checked frequently, and was good color. 68U13.

 
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Flex Plate Installation Instructions; C-4, C-6 & AOD

Source: by bmracing @ http://bmracing.com/wp-bnmcont/uploads/114501.pdf

Significant EXCERPTS:

Leaks can be caused by several reasons. The most common are front seal failure and vibration cracks.

Front seal failure is due to improperly installed seal (damaged during installation), misalignment, worn pump bushing, or worn converter impeller hub.

A ballooned converter can have a slightly bent impeller hub. Inspect the pump bushing when you replace the seal.

Check dowel pins in the engine block for sufficient engagement and polish the converter impeller hub with 400 grit

wet and dry sandpaper and oil.

Cracks can develop in the impeller hub or perimeter weld from stress and vibration. If a crack occurs around the

impeller or pilot hub we recommend you return it for repair.

=====

Typical C4 leakage points are the pan gasket along with front pump and output shaft yoke seals. Whenever you rebuild a C4, make sure these seals get abundant lubrication. Transmission assembly **** is perfect for these seals.

This keeps them pliable for dry start-up. What kills seals more than anything is long storage periods followed by dry start-ups. Mixing transmission fluid types can also damage seals.

Because C4s generate high temperatures, heat takes a toll on fluid, friction materials, seals, and even hard parts like planetaries, clutch drums, and pistons. This is why having clean fluid and a fresh filter is so important. A C4's filter doesn't filter fluid as finitely as an engine's oil filter for example. It is more like a screen designed to catch particulates and other contaminates that can render your transmission inoperative in short order.

Add fluid to the FULL mark. After an open road drive, examine fluid consistency and color. If it is foamy, the transmission is overfilled. It's always best to underfill, then add as necessary. If you overfill, you will have to either siphon fluid out or loosen the pan. Never check transmission fluid level cold; always check at operating temperature

Read more: http://www.mustangmonthly.com/techarticles/mump_1101_service_ford_mustang_c4_transmissions/viewall.html#ixzz2DoDZmTFo

Read more: http://www.mustangmonthly.com/techarticles/mump_1101_service_ford_mustang_c4_transmissions/viewall.html#ixzz2DoDQCEsu

Read more: by Jim S at http://www.mustangmonthly.com/techarticles/mump_1101_service_ford_mustang_c4_transmissions/viewall.html#ixzz2DoD7gIRU

Read more: http://www.mustangmonthly.com/techarticles/mump_1101_service_ford_mustang_c4_transmissions/viewall.html#ixzz2DoCzlMxb

By Jasper;

Check area for tool gouges or cracks

If in bellhousing area, check converter for crack

Fasteners over or under- torqued

by gregaust:

2 seals at the shift linkage , the inner rarely leaks , the small outer o'ring type seal is most common and easily replaced by only removing the kickdown linkage .

Cooler lines ?

There are o'rings under the case adaptor fittings also go pretty hard with age
Hey Guys!! Thanks so very, very much for the reply! You've given us lots to check-out. 68U13.

 

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