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The battery is good and charging normal, it is holding the charge, I have fuel. I put some Sea Foam additive in and didnt help. Or maybe it did for a week. I have had no problems for last 3 days. Now today it just wont start. Turns over and cranks, battery is still charged, just wont start. Thoughts?

 

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Okay, have you checked your timing lately? I've even seen a bad alternator that will work sometimes and not other times and that's been the problem.

 

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The battery is good and charging normal, it is holding the charge, I have fuel. I put some Sea Foam additive in and didnt help. Or maybe it did for a week. I have had no problems for last 3 days. Now today it just wont start. Turns over and cranks, battery is still charged, just wont start. Thoughts?
Work the problem one step at a time. Air, Fuel & Spark. If it won't start then one of those three things is missing or screwed up. Eliminate each one & narrow the range of possible problems. Chances are it's getting all the air it needs so that's probably not it. You battery may be holding a charge but do you have a spark ? Get a cheap $3 spark tester and see. If you don't have a spark at the plugs work backwards to where you DO have a spark. With no spark it will do exactly what it's doing right now, spin just fine but refuse to fire. Obviously you can't look down the throat of the carb & hit the accerator pump but you CAN get a $10-$15 fuel pressure gauge and confirm that you have pressure at the fuel rail & the injectors aren't dry. If there's no fuel to the injectors, same thing, it'll spin but not fire. You can probably rule out an injector problem because it's unlikely all 8 would fail and even if 3 DID fail it would run on 5 (not well but it would run). Might be something like a blown fuse for the fuel pump or a cooked ignition module, doesn't happen often but I've seen coils go bad. Pickup a cheap code reader and see if you can pull any codes out of it.

 
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I just went through this myself. Follow the basics like Bill said, fuel and spark are the two to look at. If you think you have fuel and spark, check it with ether (starting fluid). Take the hose off of the throttle body, open the butterfly and spray a dose of starting fluid (not too much as it might backfire and catch something on fire). If you really have spark, it will at least kick off for a second. That will confirm that you have spark. If it does, look toward fuel issues i.e. plugged filter, bad pump, fuse etc. Chances are it is your ignition module.

 
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Can I do the old uplug the sparkplug wire and see if it arcs against the block? Or is that bad now? I might be old schooled....

 

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Brand new MAF sensor installed, and no trouble codes.
hey how are you . ? what you can try is spraying starting fluid in the air intake and see if it kicks over . .that may help you narrow it down to afuel problem

 
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hey how are you . ? what you can try is spraying starting fluid in the air intake and see if it kicks over . .that may help you narrow it down to afuel problem
Ok so, I definitly got spark, woke me up too, shot some starter fluid down the throat and it cranked. I have a new pump so I thought to swap the fuel filter, seeing how I dont know when it was last replaced and I have had this truck for 2 years, but I cant release the fuel lines. Try as I might with that damn tool it just wont release. Lookin for some tips....anyone?????

 

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You DO realize the warnings on the can say "Not for human consumption", however if by coffee doesnt work this morning, I may try it... Back to the real question though, i have the kit to remove the fuel line clips and have never had it work right. I just collapse the clips by hand or use a small screwdriver and make sure you twist the filter. Usually it will break the seal of the orings (not as in now workee but release) and you can work it out.

 
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You DO realize the warnings on the can say "Not for human consumption", however if by coffee doesnt work this morning, I may try it... Back to the real question though, i have the kit to remove the fuel line clips and have never had it work right. I just collapse the clips by hand or use a small screwdriver and make sure you twist the filter. Usually it will break the seal of the orings (not as in now workee but release) and you can work it out.
Coffe probably would have worked better huh?? I dont have those kind of clips, mine is a fitting with the metal tangs inside that grasp hold of the ridge on the line. I have a tool that slides inside the open end of the line and is supposed to release all the metal tangs and enable it to slide over that ridge and then you can slip the fuel line off....but it just isnt releasing. I will be very upset if it ends up the fuel pump.....I wish there was another way to check for pressure without having to buy another tool...plus I just last year replaced the pump!!! what are the odds????

 

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Ok so, I definitly got spark, woke me up too, shot some starter fluid down the throat and it cranked. I have a new pump so I thought to swap the fuel filter, seeing how I dont know when it was last replaced and I have had this truck for 2 years, but I cant release the fuel lines. Try as I might with that damn tool it just wont release. Lookin for some tips....anyone?????
2nd tour is right, those cheapie kits **** wind. A small screwdriver works as long as you exert enuf finger pressure to release it. A Snap-on or other pro kit is really nice but not many of us drop the coinage on stuff like that. But for Goodness sake PLEASE remember to try & bleed off some of the fuel pressure first. Popping off a fuel filter under line pressure is one of those mistakes that you only make ONCE because I promise you you'll *always* remember to do it after you forget just once. It'll be an experience you will remember, trust me on that one.

Regardless of *how* you do it, checking the fuel filter is a good idea.

Sorry to hear you got juiced. Back in the day we used to get a good giggle out of charging up a points condenser by holding it with a pair of insulated pliers & then quickly tossing it to an unsuspecting friend or co-worker & shouting "catch". It doesn't make you a lot of friends at the office Christmas party but it sure is good for a laugh (and yes, I caught *more* than my share before learning to jump AWAY from anything thrown with the words "Hey, catch") unfortunately kids today just don't learn that trick with all these electronic ignitions and all. ****, kids today don't even know what dwell IS, much less how to measure it, but I guess that's a whole different thread.

 
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I had a similare problem trying to disconnect my fuel lines. I got a simple fuel line remover tool from Advanced and it was for "Ford cars and truck" and it didn't work like it was supposed to. Then I turned it around and used the other side, then it worked. Oh yeah, I was lucky enough to learn to blead the system first on my last t-bird. Damn thing sprayed the **** out of me! **** of a day that was!

 
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2nd tour is right, those cheapie kits **** wind. A small screwdriver works as long as you exert enuf finger pressure to release it. A Snap-on or other pro kit is really nice but not many of us drop the coinage on stuff like that. But for Goodness sake PLEASE remember to try & bleed off some of the fuel pressure first. Popping off a fuel filter under line pressure is one of those mistakes that you only make ONCE because I promise you you'll *always* remember to do it after you forget just once. It'll be an experience you will remember, trust me on that one.
Regardless of *how* you do it, checking the fuel filter is a good idea.

Sorry to hear you got juiced. Back in the day we used to get a good giggle out of charging up a points condenser by holding it with a pair of insulated pliers & then quickly tossing it to an unsuspecting friend or co-worker & shouting "catch". It doesn't make you a lot of friends at the office Christmas party but it sure is good for a laugh (and yes, I caught *more* than my share before learning to jump AWAY from anything thrown with the words "Hey, catch") unfortunately kids today just don't learn that trick with all these electronic ignitions and all. ****, kids today don't even know what dwell IS, much less how to measure it, but I guess that's a whole different thread.
I dont have the clip type. I have the internal metal tangs that "hold" onto the ridge of the fuel lines. I am this close to getting rid of this truck!!!! I do love this truck, its a now 2 owner, no body rust, just with gas prices the way they are, and this truck now nickle and diming me to death, I think this is the last straw. I am working TOO hard for it to cost this much.

 

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Eh, it's all worth it in the end when you drive it. At least I think so. Every time my truck is down my son likes to tell me he want's to go "bye bye in my vroom vroom" so when it's back up I put him in there and him and I go around for a while and listen to the radio (he's 2, no conversation there). Well, keep your head up and you'll get threw it!

 

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I dont have the clip type. I have the internal metal tangs that "hold" onto the ridge of the fuel lines. I am this close to getting rid of this truck!!!! I do love this truck, its a now 2 owner, no body rust, just with gas prices the way they are, and this truck now nickle and diming me to death, I think this is the last straw. I am working TOO hard for it to cost this much.
Yup, it can be a bitch at times but buck up, you'll get it straightened out. You got a good truck there and I think most guys here have seen someone get discouraged and unload a decent truck butcause they got demoralized and more than a few of us have picked up great trucks cheap from someone in your exact position. You're probably just confronting overdue maintenance issues that creep up on all of us. It's 11yrs old now and things like this will be coming due, it's easy to get frustrated & dump it in anger but most guys wind up regretingit years down the road. Have faith.

 
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Ok so this is what I am looking at.....either it is the fuel filter...which I cant get the lines disconnected from the filter, or its the pump, which I replaced last year. What are the odds that its the pump? If I just hold the ignition to start, it will eventually start. After about 1.5 mins. Does that sound like the pump????

 

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Ok so this is what I am looking at.....either it is the fuel filter...which I cant get the lines disconnected from the filter, or its the pump, which I replaced last year. What are the odds that its the pump? If I just hold the ignition to start, it will eventually start. After about 1.5 mins. Does that sound like the pump????
Well, you should be able to *hear* the pump. Not that they're loud by any means but you can usually hear the pump prime when you turn the key to the "on" position so try listening for it, but if it's only a year old I'd think it unlikely it would fail again so soon although it's not unheard of. It could also be the fuel pump relay or the regulator. As for removing the lines, check with your local NAPA or other parts store for the tool. In cases like this though I'm partial to the higher-end shops because the cheapo tools that places like AutoZone sell usually ****, spending a few bux more on a quality tool will *really* pay dividends in the frustration department.

You know, you don't have to be stuck diagnosing this yourself. I'm not so proud that I won't take mine to the dealer or a shop for when I'm stuck. Most places will give you a free estimate & to do that they have to tell you just what's wrong & how they'd go about fixing it. No reason you can't bring it to a dealer, ask him what's wrong & how much it'll be to repair and then go home to "think" about it. Of course if you make a habit of doing that and using the same shop they'll eventually get wise but there are lots of shops in the world and it doesn't sound as though your particular Bronco is a mechanical basket case. It's worth considering if you've hit a dead end

 

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