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hoss539

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Ok guys this ones got me scratching my head, and cursing more than a little. What i've got is my 87 with the 5.0 stock everything, suspension, tires even the air filter and has the aod tranny. Now what's going on is it previously had the surgeing idle that seams common with these things, replaced the tps and iac didnt fix, have also replaced a few vacuum lines that were bad. Now after going through a small mud puddle about two weeks ago, do mean small-just enough to get engine compartment dirty- now will idle around three thousand till put into gear then will drop down to normal but won't shift right, specifically when slowing from highway speeds. Now here is the latest problem, last couple days, after maybe a few minutes of driving and then slow for a turn or stop idle will all of a sudden surge to max rpms then die, maybe restart and move forward a hundred feet or so and run like it has dirty gas and die. Will turn over but not start for at least four hours or so. I have replaced fuel filter and checked fluids, everything is good.

 

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hoss,

I have two suggestions... check for vacuum leaks, and pull codes.

Pull Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) From your onboard computer.

Your engine and transmission are computer controlled.

The computer uses sensors to tell it a number of different things and it controls actuators that push or pull mechanical levers (kinda). If one or more sensors aren't working properly, the computer goes "blind" and doesn't know what to do. If the computer can "see" but one of the actuators is broken and therefore can't follow the commands of the computer; the engine won't run correctly. The computer is preprogrammed with set values for each of its sensors, and each of its actuators. It will run a self check of all systems, like the space shuttle; it will compare its set value(s) to the value(s) it recieves from its sensors, and actuators. If any sensor or acutator is out of the "normal" range the computer will generate a "code." It will generate some codes on the fly, and others will be stored while you are driving. There is a simple method to "pull codes" out of the computer for one to use for diagnostic purposes.

Earlier versions of On Board Diagnostics OBD 1983-1995 can flash the error code to the dash board and can be pulled in one's driveway without any special tools.

Later versions of On Board Diagnostics OBDII some 1995, and pretty much all 1996 and newer, require one to use a code reader or scanner tool.

Some auto parts stores will scan your engine codes for FREE, you may want to call around. Some will scan OBDII but not the older (prior to 1996) OBD systems.

SO here you go...

How to scan FORD on board Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) in your driveway

Howto Pull Codes 1983-1995 Broncos, Mustang, F series Trucks, Econolines, 302, 351 and more

1993-1995 Ford Probe note: some late model '95 probes use the above bronco connectors and method.

Trouble Codes Specific to 1993 to 1995 OBD-I Ford Probe

http://www.ford-forums.com/ford-probe/1574....html#post66404

Check and clean your IAC

http://www.fordfuelinjection.com/?p=39

Checking for vacuum leaks.

Some of the sensors and some of the actuators either read the amount of vacuum, or use vacuum to move controls, therefore it is important to the proper functioning of the engine that your vacuum system is fully intact. Otherwise one may get codes falsely indicating that there is a problem with a controller/actuator, or a sensor when in reality it is caused by a lack of vacuum.

Look at your rubber vacuum hoses (they are about 1/4 - 3/8 inches in diameter, if they are dry rotted or cracked, replace them. IF they slip on/off of their connectors too easily, they may have stretched out a little bit, cut the ends off, and put them back on.

You may listen for a leak. Sometimes using a cut off piece of garden hose is a good aid to listen with. Sometimes a cardboard tube (like from gift wrapping paper) is helpful. Just remember that whenever you stick your head inside a running engine compartment, that you are not wearing any loose clothing or jewelry that can get caught.

Another suggestion is to use a spray can of carb cleaner and spray around the bottom of the intake manifold, and the base of the throttle body assembly. IF there is a leak, you should hear a change in your engine.

Keep a fire extinguisher handy, or use water instead of carb cleaner (it works, but not as well.) Be aware that if you use water and the wires get wet and it runs worse... your wires may be bad, and the water is allowing them to arc instead of jump the gap of the spark plug.

Another suggestion is: to take a propane torch, turn it on (but don't light it) and move it over the vacuum hoses and connections. The engine RPM's will increase if there is a leak and the propane gets sucked in.

Also check the PCV valve, hose and grommet

 
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hoss539

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my bad, forgot about engine codes was looking for broken/damaged vacuum lines and wires. will check that this weekend after work

 

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What year? EFI? Carbureted? Does it have emergency fuel shut off? Choke? What are the other things you've done to try and diagnose? Check your distributor cap; sometimes dirt/water can get up in there and wreak havoc, check for condensation in it.

 

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