Engine sputtering , towing 2000 lb. trailer up hill

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1992 Bronco XLT 351 CI Windsor auto E40D tranny. Auto Lock hubs! (Stock) Engine sputtering upon towing 2000Lb. Trailer up slight hills. Replaced fuel pump 4 yrs ago (10,000 mi.) replaced fuel filter June 2017. Plugs, wires, cap, rotor, replaced 15,000 mi. Ago. (Fuel pressure reg???) truck runs fine when detached from trailer. I would appreciate your input! Thank, Leni

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Yo Leni,

Welcome!

I assume it wasn't in overdrive.



Was the transmission control indicator light at end of shifter stalk flashing on and off repeatedly? 



Try a Self Test for Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC)s by my pal, BroncoJoe19 @ http://broncozone.com/topic/14269-code-reader/?pid=74587&mode=threaded

A helper can assist you by counting the codes. Some use their smart phones to record them.
BEWARE OF FAN, BELTS, PULLEYS, HOT HOSES, IGNITION HIGH TENSION WIRES, AND ENGINE COMPONENTS.


The engine temperature must be greater than 50° F for the Key On Engine Off (KOEO) Self-Test and greater than 180° F for the Key On Engine Running (KOER) Self-Test.
Run it around to heat the engine up and shift thru all gears including Reverse.
Make sure A/C is off and transmission is in Park (automatic); or in Neutral for a Manual & release clutch.
Then turn off engine, all accessories/lights (close driver's door) , etc.
Do KOEO test First
Post Code(s) here according to:
KOEO & KOER


without codes, typical perpetrators are; 

Vacuum leak, see my vacuum leak test in post #20 @ http://broncozone.com/topic/23994-90-58l-getting-continuous-code-33-and-running-code-44/?p=125535

Air filter, is it relatively clean?
Air inlet atop radiator support to filter box and to throttle body; look for obstruction; cut or damaged tubing
Fuel quality; Oxidized fuel often turns darker over time and may even smell sour. You can check stored gasoline by pouring some into a clear glass container and comparing it side-by-side with known fresh gasoline. If your old sample looks noticeably darker than the fresh gas, you have strong evidence the gas has gone bad.
Electrical connectors; inspect at coil, firewall, PCM, etc. especially those with broken locking tabs.


 
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Hi Al: No the Overdrive is always in the Off position when towing. (End of stalk not flashing) Thank you for your insight! Will follow thru on your Leads. Leni

 

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Do the checks that  M5  advised. If you get no results check the wires and coil.    A sputtering under load usually indicates a problem in the secondary ignition system.

I have encountered similar problems in both The Beast  (wires) and wifes Mercedes ( ignition coils) I also had problems with Platinum plugs used in older engines causing a miss under load.

Good Luck

 

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Yo Leni,

In response to your PM I got an error message after I hit the reply button.

DTC 311 is probably a vacuum leak.

DTC 311 Thermactor air system inoperable. "...The computer determined that for some reason the fresh air injection from the Thermactor system was not present. There are several components that make up this system. The initial component is the smog pump. The first checks I would make are the hoses and plumbing from the smog pump back to the diverter valve (behind the pass. cylinder head) and then on to the crossover pipe at the back of the heads and down to the catalytic converter. The check valves that are at the center of the cross over pipe and the top of the metal tube from the cat are often the culprits as they can and do snap in half as the get old. If the plumbing looks to be in good order we can discuss the slightly more complicated aspects of the system. The diverter valve also has two vacuum lines running to it. Make certain they are in place and intact. (Computer needs to be able to control the flow of fresh air by the Thermactor system)..."

Source: by greystreak92

DTC 311, 312, 313 & 314; "...311 and 314 indicate the Secondary Air Injection system is inoperative. DTC 312 indicates that Secondary Air is misdirected. DTC 313 indicates that Secondary Air is not being bypassed when requested. Possible causes: Visually inspect vacuum lines for disconnects in the AIR system. Visually inspect for proper vacuum line routing. Refer to VECI decal. Visually inspect Air Pump for broken or loose Air Pump Belt. Refer to Section 13A for adjustment/replacement..."

 

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The code does lead Primarily to a vacuum leak in the Secondary Air Injection; Pump (Smog Pump), Thermactor Air Bypass (TAB) & Thermactor Air Diverter (TAD) Solenoids; Diverter, Check & Bypass Valves, Cross-Over Tube, etc.

The 2ndry air system is known to fail in a wide variety of ways. The check valves that prevent hot exhaust from entering the rubber hoses age, rust, leak, & crack open melting the plastic TAB & TAD valves, creating exhaust leaks that can damage other components, raising exhaust oxygen levels (setting lean codes or rich adaptive limit codes), and making rattling noises. The hard steel tubing between the exhaust & the check valve can rust or crack (especially the infamous "crossover tube" on the backs of V8 heads). The vacuum controls leak (including the "coffee can" reservoir on the R wheelwell), get misrouted during other repairs, or the diaphragms rupture. The electronics that control the vacuum controls can fail electrically or mechanically, or the wires can be damaged. But all of these failures are either A) relatively cheap & easy to repair, or B) cheap & easy to prevent with normal inspection & maintenance.

The early steel coffee can reservoir commonly rusts &/or cracks, and the later plastic reservoir is an easy upgrade

Thermactor System (Smog/ Air Pump) Operational Description; "...This pumps fresh air into the exhaust system, to burn left over hydrocarbons, lowering emissions. The computer uses 2 air valves (TAB & TAD) to control where the air flows depending on engine operation. Thermactor Air Bypass (TAB) shunts air to the atmosphere, when no air is needed. When air is needed it sends air to the second valve TAD. Thermactor Air Diverter (TAD) diverts air either to the exhaust manifold, or directly to catalytic converter..." MIESK5 NOTE; If da Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor (ECT) is Below 50 degrees F, then TAB is grounded & sends air to atmosphere; If Between 50 and 190 Degrees F, Bypass Valve sends air to Diverter and to Manifold; If Over 190 Degrees F, it is in closed loop & Air goes to Catalytic Converter; Bypass when at idle/Wide Open Throttle (WOT), and with failing Oxygen Sensor. The fastest way to see if vehicle is in open loop is to see where the air is going; to Catalytic Converter, it is in Closed Loop; to Atmosphere or Manifold it is in Closed Loop, provided the thermactor system is working; miesk5 Note, Air for the Thermactor system is cleaned by means of a centrifugal filter fan mounted on the air pump driveshaft. The air filter does not require any type of replaceable element. To prevent excessive pressure, the air pump is equipped with a pressure relief valve which uses a replaceable plastic plug to control the pressure setting. The Thermactor air pump has sealed bearings which are lubricated for the life of the unit and preset rotor vane and bearing clearances, which do not require any periodic adjustments. The air supply from the pump is controlled by the air by-pass valve, sometimes called a dump valve. During engine deceleration, the air by-pass valve opens, momentarily diverting the air supply through a silencer and into the atmosphere, thus preventing backfires within the exhaust system when deceleration supplies larger-than-normal amounts of unburned fuel to the exhaust ports. check valve is incorporated in the air inlet side of the air manifolds. Its purpose is to prevent exhaust gases from backing up into the Thermactor system. This valve is especially important in the event of drive belt failure and also during deceleration, when the air by-pass valve is dumping the air supply. The air manifolds and air supply tubes channel the air from the Thermactor air pump into the exhaust ports of each cylinder, thus completing the cycle of the Thermactor system. Beginning in 1968, a conspicuous decal listing all tune-up specifications which contribute to the effectiveness of the emission control equipment is located in the engine compartment..."

Source: by Ryan M



Thermactor Air Bypass Valve Location pic in a 90 5.8; "...The Pink Vacuum Line goes from the TAB Solenoid (driver's side rear solenoid) to the passenger side (adjacent to the Vacuum Reservoir Can) and down to the bottom of the TAB (Bypass) Valve. Note that my Pink Vacuum line appears Yellowish in this pic and is not yet connected to the base of the TAB Valve as I was working up a solution at the time..."

Source: by Seattle FSB (SeattleFSB)

Crossover Tube, Diverter & Check Valves & Hoses Location pic in a V 8

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/317749/fullsize/xtubenew.jpg

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http://www.supermotors.net/registry/media/252396

http://www.supermotors.net/registry/media/227282

I couldn't post these pics in a PM reply due to error messages about some BS concerning something not explained. Such as "This image is not allowed".

 

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Yo,

On my 1990 ex-5.8L, the Yellow Vacuum Line goes from the TAD Solenoid (driver's side forward solenoid) to the TAD (Diverter) Valve located at the rear of the Intake Manifold. You have to climb up onto the engine to feel the Diverter Valve or remove the Intake Manifold.

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  Report this image The Pink Vacuum Line goes from the TAB Solenoid (driver's side rear solenoid) to the passenger side (adjacent to the Vacuum Reservoir Can) and down to the bottom of the TAB (Bypass) Valve. Note that my Pink Vacuum line appears Yellowish in this pic and is not yet connected to the base of the TAB Valve as I was working up a solution at the time.
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  Report this image Here is a pic of my VECI (Vehicle Emissions Control Information) Label for a 1990 5.8L Bronco. Be advised that the ACV (Air Control Valve) is the TAD (Thermactor Air Diverter) Valve and the AIR BPV is the TAB (Thermactor Air Bypass) Valve. The VRESER is the Vacuum Reservoir Can where the red & black vacuum lines plug into and the EGR is actually the EVP (EGR Valve Position Sensor).
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Yo Leni,

Received your PM, but gave up trying to reply.

Some place step ladders on each side of front fenders to place a plank or two to make a "belly" scaffold so that you can look behind the intake to view  the secondary air components.  Others remove jack handle and place blanket across radiator support.

Use mirrors and lights too.

GL!

Al

 
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I Have a scaffold with 2 8' ladders on the sides, will try a mirror as well. Leni

 

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Yo Leni,

Good!

Beware of the fan!!!!  It tends to slice thAngs off.

Also belt, pulleys, hot engine components.

 
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Perhaps I should elect to pull the engine, good winter project!!

 

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Don't forget to check your fuel pressures under load.

 
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