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#1 bob69m

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 10:33 PM

im in the process of changing out my leaky oil pan gasket and new oil pump. i jacked the engine up got everything off and now im strugling with getting the oil pump on while the oil pan is right under it. i tried to get oil pan on with the oil pump already installed but there wasnt enough room for that. if there is a trick to this please let me know Posted Image

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 03:15 AM

yo,

Oil Pan+Pump Replacment in a 95, Source: by TRUCKY18 (Bco) at SuperMotors.net

Excerpts;
"...With the engine jacked up you can un-bolt the oil pan, and the oil pump. The oil pump has two bolts in it, one of them visible in this picture; it’s the small bolt right near the harmonic balancer in this picture. Once the oil pump is un-bolted, just let it fall into the pan. You also have to remove a nut the holds the pick-up tube to the engine, it’s about midway back.
To get the pan out I had to disconnect my exhaust where the muffler meets the cat, not hard since I put a new cat back on 2 years ago.
also had to remove the muffler from its hangers
also have to remove the inspection plate on the tranny, yes it was that close, but by disconnecting the exhaust and removing this piece; I did not have to take the upper intake off. YAY!

With the pan off you can inspect the bottom end of the motor, everything looked ship shape to me. You can see where the oil pick-up attaches, it is the main bolt which is also a stud. (If that makes sense.)

The pump and the pick-up will still be attached when the pan come off, I thought it was easier to do it this way. Make sure you clean the pick-up tube, mine did not have anything in it, but I cleaned it anyway.

set it all in the pan and ran the pump backwards by hand to prime it, don’t want to start up dry.

Now you have to bolt in the oil pump and pick-up. Easier said than done, because the oil pump was heavier it was a PAIN to hold it in place with one finger and try to get a bolt in, and this was also when I played around with the pump shaft for frickin’ ever. But once you get the pump on just bolt the pan on. Making sure the gasket made a good seal.
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TSB 95-6-8 Oil Pan 5.0L MARCH 27, 1995
FORD: 1990-91 CROWN VICTORIA
1990-93 THUNDERBIRD
1990-95 MUSTANG
LINCOLN-MERCURY: 1990-91 GRAND MARQUIS
1990-92 MARK VII
1990-93 COUGAR
1990-95 TOWN CAR
1990-95 BRONCO, ECONOLINE, F-150, F-250
Beginning 11/29/94, all 5.0L engines are being produced using a rigid carrier-type oil pan gasket. The rigid oil pan gasket design and revised sealing procedure are being introduced to reduce the possibility of mispositioning the cork-type gaskets during assembly which could result in leaks and repeat repairs. The revised sealing procedure is applicable to all 1990-95 5.0L oil pan gasket designs.

Apply Silicone Sealant to the oil pan gasket and block as indicated when service is required. Refer to the appropriate Service Manual for removal and installation procedures.
NOTE: SEALANT MUST BE APPLIED TO BOTH SIDES OF THE OIL PAN GASKET AS SHOWN IN FIGURE 1. FAILURE TO APPLY SEALANT AS INDICATED TO BOTH SIDES OF THE OIL PAN GASKET MAY CAUSE OIL LEAKS.

PART NUMBER PART NAME
F5TZ-6710-A Oil Pan Gasket
D6AZ-19562-BA Silicone Sealant
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Availability of New Silicone Gasket & Sealant TSB 98-7-4 for 84-96 Bronco; 84-98 Econoline, F-150, F-250 HD, F-250 LD; 84-99 Super Duty F Series, etc.
ISSUE A new Silicone Gasket And Sealant (F7AZ-19554-EA) material is now available for routine engine service or repair of engine oil leaks.
ACTION Use the new Silicone Gasket And Sealant for servicing:
Oil pan gaskets and T-joints
Intake end seals
Overhead cam caps
Valve and timing covers
Bearing split lines
Side cover plates
Rear oil seals
The new sealant has better adhesion, flexibility for moving/vibrating joints, resistance to fluids, and is easier to dispense.
NOTE: THIS MATERIAL IS NOT A DIRECT REPLACEMENT FOR A SILICONE RUBBER, GRAPHITE, OR OTHER TYPE OF PRE-FORMED GASKET.



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some specs from my 96
Maximum Oil Pump Cover Flatness Variation, 0.038mm (0.0015 In.)
Oil Pump Rotor Clearance, 0.10mm (0.004 In.)



ok, hold-on, here is more...
When I was a Navy employee I often met w/many suppliers, esp. the major US steel mills. One rep. described the differences between companies that manufacture commercial and industrial products ranging from refigerators to trucks.
When sellings rolled steel appliance/vehicle body panel, etc. to the customer, the mills would discount 10% automatically because the edges and outside coil of the steel roll would be rusty or slightly damaged due to storage/shipment.
The "higher quality firms" would scrap these sections; while the "others" would try to remove or minimize the rusty sections and use it in various "non-appearance" parts of the vehicle or item they were manufacturing. Such as Ford oil pans.
This was in the 80's and early 90's; and as we know Ford and other manufacturers have improved the body panel specs and quality exc. for this and some other items (some suspension components).

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 01:02 AM

hey man i just looked through your picks and you have the same oil cooler on your truck as i do on mine,

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what the hell you didnt say you had one too, is that stock or aftermarket?????????????
abviously mine is broken

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 04:27 AM

All the pics are by trucky.
btw bob, I didn't see that cooler in trucky's pics

I added the clearance specs from my 96's Workshop Manual, but over-wrote "Workshop Manual" while adding the numbers.

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 06:07 AM

No he does its the exact same one as mine he has a k&n filter on it and has two hoses runing off it to the botton hose of the radiator

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 01:53 AM

He placed a remote filter & adapter in it[img
And it was in another section aside from his pump/pan R&R Link I posted.


one pic from above site for reference:
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/142921/thumbnail/img_0831.jpg[/img]
Trucky wrote in the caption to the pics; "... am mounting the filter to the fire wall to the right of the engine, up-right and easy to get to. I don't think anyone was thinking when they designed the oil filter mount.
One hose on and part of the second one on.
It was a pain getting this tight, while keeping the hose in the right place and not over-tightening the filter adapter.
This is the adapter for the block. You have to buy the universal kit because the one designed for the 351W is the older one which does not fit newer blocks. The threads for the filter are 22m instead of what ever it used to be..."
Now the filter is up-right and easy to get to, not to mention it's about 2 times the size of the old one, and holds nearly 1qt of oil..."

THE TWO HOSES DO NOT GO TO THE RADIATOR; THEY ARE FROM ADAPTER TO THE REMOTELY MOUNTED FILTER.

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 10:56 PM

this is the pick that im talking about. upper right hand side what is the part thats the oil filter screwed on? it must be an oil cooler. my question is if its stock or not? i cant find it anywhere

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 04:17 AM

yo Bob,
That is probably the optional oil cooler tubing
In your other post about this, I thought it was the Boss Engine oil cooler adapter, never knew Ford put this type in 5.0 & 5.8 as an option until I went through a brochure (see at end) and this diagram in the Ford EVTM/ Work Shop Manual. see 73 through 77

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Here is a replacement hose (6K741)
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Here is another description; "...Sarad Part#: KM2923-MOT
Radiator coolant hose. 5.0, lower hose - f5ta-8b273-aac - (if looking for hose directly off water pump with two hoses that go to engine oil cooler, refer to 6k741) (upper)" Price: $23.54 Brand: Motorcraft
Years Make Vehicle Engine
1997-1999 Ford F250 Pickup n/a
1993-1996 Ford Bronco n/a
1993 Ford F150 Pickup n/a
1993 Ford F250 Pickup n/a
Related Numbers

F5TZ8286B
F5TZ-8286-B
KM2923
KM-2923


or;
Sarad Part#: KM2924-MOT
Description:
Radiator coolant hose. 5.8, lower hose - f5ta-8b273-aac - (if looking for hose directly off water pump with two hoses that go to engine oil cooler, refer to 6k741) (upper)


Also ref to as the "ADAPTER, OIL COOLER, ENGINE" in Federal Supply Classification nomenclature.

GOODYEAR, GATES, DAYCO, etc. also makes them.


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In Trucky's Oil Filter Re-Location Album at Trucky's SuperMotors site
He mounted the remote filter Mount to the fire wall to the right of the engine
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These are the remote oil filter hoses at filter adapter on da Engine to the remote filter mount;
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Both hoses on remote mount w/Filter

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I'm having some vision issues again and looking through Trucky's SuperMotors site and all his pics ...is like sand in a desert, right?

btw, here is the 95 Bronco Brochure by Ford via Hans Tore Tangerud @ http://www.lov2xlr8....o/95bronco.html


GL!

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 04:58 AM

Wow this is awesome!!!! I had no idea that was an option. Thank you so much now all i got to do is buy that hose take off the cooler and weld a new pipe onto it and i be in business

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 02:14 AM

That's a good price on the oil cooler hose, best I found was $39.00 at J.B.G. Stock for trailer tow option vehicles. You get max a/c, tow receiver, oil cooler, quad shocks, limited slip 8.8 diff. I found a place to buy the sandwich cooler asy, if you couldn't fix yours, but I have to find it..... :)>- -Kevin-

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