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So my carb was shot on my 79, its a 351M. I also trashed the intake and changed to a Weiand Action +Plus EGR (P/N 8013). The carb is a Holley 600 cfm P/N 80457S 4bbl. I also added a 1" spacer into the equation. My trouble is with the passing gear rod, and throttle cable. Im coming up about 3" short on the rod and also short on the throttle cable,. I can fix the throttle cable, my main concern is that even without the spacer, the passing rod is tight, is there a kit or some kind of extension to fix this? Anyone have the same trouble?
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Posted 20 March 2009 - 12:22 AM
bv, I have the same trouble with the 460 swap in my 84 Bronco with the kickdown rod for the C6 auto. You'll either have to lengthen the rod, or modify the lever on the tranny that the rod attaches to. I modified the lever by extending it. There's a thread in the 80-96 forum with a request by me for picks of the different set-ups that folks have. Might help you, JSM84
1984 Bronco XLT, 460, C-6 AT, Dana60, Sterling 10.25", 36" GYR RT-II's on H1 rims, S&W Racecars 10-pt cage kit, PRP racing seats, tube doors, Herculiner, custom "shaker" assembly.
1988 Bronco Custom, 302 EFI, C-6 AT, Ford 8.8". parting out
1986 Bronco Custom, 300-I6, NP435 4sp, Ford 8.8", new paint
1988 F-350, 4WD, 460 EFI, C-6Dana 60, Sterling 10.25 (donor)
1978 Bronco Custom, 351M, NP435, Currie Ford 9" w/ spool
1979 F-150 4WD, 351M, C-6, 4.10 gears w/ 35" mud tires
1988 Bronco Custom, 302 EFI, C-6 AT, Ford 8.8". parting out
1986 Bronco Custom, 300-I6, NP435 4sp, Ford 8.8", new paint
1988 F-350, 4WD, 460 EFI, C-6Dana 60, Sterling 10.25 (donor)
1978 Bronco Custom, 351M, NP435, Currie Ford 9" w/ spool
1979 F-150 4WD, 351M, C-6, 4.10 gears w/ 35" mud tires
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Posted 20 March 2009 - 03:04 AM
Yeah, I had this same problem with a 460 swap also. Maybe someday L&L will include a kickdown extension with the rest of the kit 
To fix mine I extended the rod by grafting in about 6" from a donor rod scored from a boneyard. The rods are hollow so it wasn't a big deal to section both of them & add in the extension. I found a large pair of brass hose barbs that matched up well with the rod diameter and just soldered the whole thing together. I probably should have silver soldered/brazed it but I didn't have a good torch handy so I pulled a Joe the Plumber on it. Never had any problems out of it though so it might be worth considering.
To fix mine I extended the rod by grafting in about 6" from a donor rod scored from a boneyard. The rods are hollow so it wasn't a big deal to section both of them & add in the extension. I found a large pair of brass hose barbs that matched up well with the rod diameter and just soldered the whole thing together. I probably should have silver soldered/brazed it but I didn't have a good torch handy so I pulled a Joe the Plumber on it. Never had any problems out of it though so it might be worth considering.
This post has been edited by Broncobill78: 20 March 2009 - 03:04 AM
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People who say it can't be done should not interrupt the person doing it.
84 Mustang GT (Great car to lose your license with, I recommend it for those trying to do so)
74 Ranchero (429, c6, Currie enterprises 9" w/Mickey Thompson cheater slicks, 1970 Torino shaker hood scoop)
82 Bronco (Canadian truck, kilometer speedo, dual batteries, hi-output heater, dual factory block heaters/etc)
78 Bronco (400, 33" Fun Countries, fastback softtop)
79 Bronco (460, 36" Ground Hawgs, frame-off rebuild)
84 Bronco (bone-stock beater)
73 Bronco (I only had it 2 wks before flipping & crushing it.)
76 F-350 (390, 40" Super Swampers, ugly ugly ugly fire-engine green/yellow cab w/faded purple bed)
78 Bronco (460, 38.5" Ground Hawgs, Dana 60's, boxed frame, frame-off rebuild)
86 Bronco (only truck I've ever had fall thru the ice & just plain disappear. no end of hassles from the ins. co.)
91 Bronco (25th anniversary edition, red w/grey leather everything interior, 31x11.5's)
88 Bronco (33x12.5's)
79 Bronco (Current project, 4" lift w/weenie little pizza cutters)
Looking for 78/79 parts, please let me know if you have one you're parting out.
People who say it can't be done should not interrupt the person doing it.
84 Mustang GT (Great car to lose your license with, I recommend it for those trying to do so)
74 Ranchero (429, c6, Currie enterprises 9" w/Mickey Thompson cheater slicks, 1970 Torino shaker hood scoop)
82 Bronco (Canadian truck, kilometer speedo, dual batteries, hi-output heater, dual factory block heaters/etc)
78 Bronco (400, 33" Fun Countries, fastback softtop)
79 Bronco (460, 36" Ground Hawgs, frame-off rebuild)
84 Bronco (bone-stock beater)
73 Bronco (I only had it 2 wks before flipping & crushing it.)
76 F-350 (390, 40" Super Swampers, ugly ugly ugly fire-engine green/yellow cab w/faded purple bed)
78 Bronco (460, 38.5" Ground Hawgs, Dana 60's, boxed frame, frame-off rebuild)
86 Bronco (only truck I've ever had fall thru the ice & just plain disappear. no end of hassles from the ins. co.)
91 Bronco (25th anniversary edition, red w/grey leather everything interior, 31x11.5's)
88 Bronco (33x12.5's)
79 Bronco (Current project, 4" lift w/weenie little pizza cutters)
Looking for 78/79 parts, please let me know if you have one you're parting out.
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Posted 20 March 2009 - 09:50 AM
Yeah i figured thats what it would come down to. Is the passing rod an easy take off? Ive got everything assembled and back together, truck fired right up and has plenty of umphh! Thanks for the input guys!
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Posted 20 March 2009 - 10:42 AM
Yes, it's a cinch to remove the kickdown rod. At the carb, it normally has a small key or e-clip on the end of the stud that goes thru the hole in the end of the rod. On the tranny end, same deal. the rod attaches to a small lever arm, either on the outside of the neutral safety switch or behind it. Some of these lever arms are straight, others are C-shaped, but both are flat and have a square slot where they bolt to the tranny. My C6 from the 84 Bronco had the C-shaped lever, and I needed about 1" to mate up to the kickdown rod. So I got another lever, cut it down, and welded it to the C-shaped lever. IT mates up to the kickdown rod, but the "physics" are not quite right. It wants to arc forward more than downward, preventing the tranny from downshifting. Still working on that...
While I was researching this mod, I came across some others where they extended the actual kicdown rod, similar to BB78. A few were made adjustable by welding in a piece of allthread and a nut at each end where it meets the original rod sections. JSM84
While I was researching this mod, I came across some others where they extended the actual kicdown rod, similar to BB78. A few were made adjustable by welding in a piece of allthread and a nut at each end where it meets the original rod sections. JSM84
1984 Bronco XLT, 460, C-6 AT, Dana60, Sterling 10.25", 36" GYR RT-II's on H1 rims, S&W Racecars 10-pt cage kit, PRP racing seats, tube doors, Herculiner, custom "shaker" assembly.
1988 Bronco Custom, 302 EFI, C-6 AT, Ford 8.8". parting out
1986 Bronco Custom, 300-I6, NP435 4sp, Ford 8.8", new paint
1988 F-350, 4WD, 460 EFI, C-6Dana 60, Sterling 10.25 (donor)
1978 Bronco Custom, 351M, NP435, Currie Ford 9" w/ spool
1979 F-150 4WD, 351M, C-6, 4.10 gears w/ 35" mud tires
1988 Bronco Custom, 302 EFI, C-6 AT, Ford 8.8". parting out
1986 Bronco Custom, 300-I6, NP435 4sp, Ford 8.8", new paint
1988 F-350, 4WD, 460 EFI, C-6Dana 60, Sterling 10.25 (donor)
1978 Bronco Custom, 351M, NP435, Currie Ford 9" w/ spool
1979 F-150 4WD, 351M, C-6, 4.10 gears w/ 35" mud tires
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Posted 09 April 2009 - 12:08 PM
Ol, on Apr 9 2009, 07:30 AM, said:
holley makes an adapter piece, i just purchased one for my '78.
Do you have a part number?
1984 Bronco XLT, 460, C-6 AT, Dana60, Sterling 10.25", 36" GYR RT-II's on H1 rims, S&W Racecars 10-pt cage kit, PRP racing seats, tube doors, Herculiner, custom "shaker" assembly.
1988 Bronco Custom, 302 EFI, C-6 AT, Ford 8.8". parting out
1986 Bronco Custom, 300-I6, NP435 4sp, Ford 8.8", new paint
1988 F-350, 4WD, 460 EFI, C-6Dana 60, Sterling 10.25 (donor)
1978 Bronco Custom, 351M, NP435, Currie Ford 9" w/ spool
1979 F-150 4WD, 351M, C-6, 4.10 gears w/ 35" mud tires
1988 Bronco Custom, 302 EFI, C-6 AT, Ford 8.8". parting out
1986 Bronco Custom, 300-I6, NP435 4sp, Ford 8.8", new paint
1988 F-350, 4WD, 460 EFI, C-6Dana 60, Sterling 10.25 (donor)
1978 Bronco Custom, 351M, NP435, Currie Ford 9" w/ spool
1979 F-150 4WD, 351M, C-6, 4.10 gears w/ 35" mud tires
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 06:54 AM
Justshootme84, on Apr 9 2009, 01:08 PM, said:
Do you have a part number?
I sure do, i looked in my Holley parts catalog and here it all is.
FORD BRACKETS
Transmission Kickdown
Lever Extensions . . . . . . Part # 20-41
This handy part is used to extend the Ford O.E.
transmission kickdown lever when converting
from a 2 bbl to a 4 bbl carburetor.
Lift it Fat Chicks Can't Jump
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